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Carlos Marquez

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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
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Closing Statement from Carlos Marquez

The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Aug 4 2013: John,
    you say " there is no outside of space or time where God resides" , how do you know that to be factual?

    thanks
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      Aug 4 2013: Ok carlos mate , here you are in this thought experiment ok , lets put you in the middle of the universe ok ! there you are floating with as many wishes as you like, first wish take away all the matter before you ok , second wish take away the void that you float in ? ok what is left ? NOTHING carlos ok nothing the void is nothing and only matter energy exists ok, how can you possibly use another wish ?

      another one for you , you have won a one way ticket to the future or to the past which ever you choose ok so there you are in the space ship with two buttons past or future ok now press one ok which way do you go or which way do you point your ship ? its the void carl;os its all there is mate no other dimensions , time holds us here and time is light .SORRY LET ME FINISH , IF YOU TAKE AWAY LIGHT WHICH HAS A GENTLE PRESSURE UPON OUR UNIVERSE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ?

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