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Carlos Marquez

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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
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Closing Statement from Carlos Marquez

The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Aug 3 2013: okay, partner, we've reached a stalemate, which you depend upon and I don't, which is where I ask you in return: "do you have proof of god? can you explain the meaning of god? does god have a material existence? does god have a material existence? please enlighten me"

    Notice how I used the grammar of a first-grader to substitute god for every use of time and space. Now, can you answer this proxy-first-grader's questions?
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      Aug 3 2013: Am baffled partner but an answer does not require or institute a reason to offend another on his grammar , I type as I see fit , you however are quick off the mark hence why you look but do not observe the fact that I had made a point which is plainly obvious to any would be graduate .

      One can question the existence of God as one can question the existence of gravity, neither can be proven to explain for sure the existence of mankind’s observations above and is down to each individual to accept their beliefs. obviously you missed this above point .
    • Aug 3 2013: Dan,
      The question at hand, just to remind everyone, is "how can God exist beyond space and time". You are arguing the materialist position (I.e. asking for God to be defined exclusively in material terms). Could you define the content of "time" or "space" in strictly material terms? What is the material content of "time" or "space"?
      Carlos and myself are having a current and ongoing discussion buried deep within the comments/posts below on this very subject, which might be of interest.

      Best regards,

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