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Carlos Marquez

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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
Hi Ho Silver Lining


Closing Statement from Carlos Marquez

The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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      Jul 31 2013: Alexander,

      Interesting!- please go on-...

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          Jul 31 2013: Alexander,
          You have a gift-
          Religion has been used -historically as a bonding and control tool. In Hispanic countries-I can tell you- the grip is unearthly to the point of fanaticism. And the issue is that some countries and or groups within countries want to impose their views on everyone regardless opposite religious or sectarian views, and sometimes by any means necessary, that of course is not new.
          You are right- I don't take Science to a point that sterilizes Jazz to just part of the EMR spectrum, or for science to spoil a hot fudge sundaes, or Bocelli next CD. Family, friends,music,art,literature, education,man even pizza , are relevant to this life.
          I guess that in that sense I'm existentialist-I choose my life's purpose- I like it that way-

          "But let's not over-science it all. Not so that we lose the joy of it. Or the truth of it. Or entirely lose the meaning of it - by declaring all religion, or civilization, useless nonsense too quickly."
          hmm let me chew on that some more.

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          Jul 31 2013: Alex,
          Absolutely! When you are dealing with masses, governments have historically used a synthesis of control tools.
          If I remember well atheism was banned within the SS with all SS men being required to list themselves as Protestant, Catholic or "believer in God" (German: gottgläubig), atheism was outlawed within the SS as Himmler believed it to be a form of egoism that placed the individual at the center of the universe.
          I agree with your view on USSR & China. I also agree that religion is not "alone" and there is more to it.
          Have I been the subject of retaliation? -Yes- I get the hate email, and threats, but these folks miss the point they see my line of questioning as an attack-far from that- I see it as an invitation to question core beliefs for if you only you share ideas with folks that agree with you-then is like an echo chamber-, Or like a TV set if folks don't like what they see or hear they can opt out.
          Neither I'm looking for to win or loose here in TED threads,- life is bigger than that- but an exercise of honest,civil discussion.

          Thank you
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      Jul 31 2013: nice one.

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