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Carlos Marquez

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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
Hi Ho Silver Lining


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The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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      Jul 28 2013: I guess most people today and perhaps more in the past followed their cultural religion.

      The great Babylonian scientists following maduk. Those born in Europe followed Christianity etc.

      I guess smarter people than me used to think the earth was flat or the centre of the universe. They didn't know about us being in a galaxy with billions of stars, or that there were billions of galaxies. No idea about evolution or germ theory.

      Are their more atheists amongst top scientists today. Yes.

      I guest most scientists in the middle east are Muslim. Doesn't mean Allah exists and the quaran is correct.

      Most in Thailand are Buddhist.

      We also know there is no good reason or evidence for gods.

      Just because newton believed in alchemy and some god obviously didn't stop him doing great work. Doesn't make him right on the god and alchemy bit.

      People can believe in different conflicting god beliefs and be scientists.

      But we know all but one at best is ccorrect and there is no compelling evidence for any.

      We can not detect any gods or faeries. We can only imagine their existence.

      Science without religion works fine. In fact you leave talking donkies and unverifiable beings out of it.

      Science is about testing hypothesises, about disproving stuff. If the same rigor is applied to Yahweh, Bacchus, or even some generic deity you get no where.

      Smart people can theists or deists. But there remains no compelling rationale or evidence for any gods. Lucky science doesn't set the bar so low. No evidence for biblical talking do kids, or koranuc flying horses. Or any gods. Just feelings and faith and fallacious arguments, mostly from ignorance or authority.
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        Jul 28 2013: Obey,

        Agreed ,

        There is 18% of the population in the USA (56,504527.2) that thinks that the Sun rotates around the Earth (Gallup).

        Scale that statistic with your reasoning and see the educational chasm and twisted reality some folks live in.

        Thanks Obey!
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          Jul 30 2013: scary. and about 40% in young earth creation and biblical end times coming.
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      Jul 28 2013: Science Major,Honey Child,
      Thank you for bringing such a distinguished list. But it sounds like an argument from authority. Millions of persons believed in deities but that does not make the deity true.

      BTW A year before his death Einstein wrote: "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These [...] interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.


      Essentially, what Einstein was saying is that the word "God" is meaningless, and silly because he believed in somewhat cosmic energy that existed in nature, and because of this, the word "God" is basically saying that we are ruled over by someone because we are weaker. He believed the tales of the Bible, such as the world being created in 7 days and the Tower of Babel, were honorable stories, but false, and the original texts of the Bible were meant to guide one on the path of morality. He also said that he is proud to be a Jew, but does not see them superior to any other person.

      I hope this helps,

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        Jul 29 2013: I have never been able to decide about whether Various Top Scientists believed in God the more I study them. Take Darwin. Darwin changed his mind LOTS in the last three years of his life. So I kind of conclude that Darwin was everywhere. And when you get all the bits of evidence about Einstein's beliefs, it is hard to understand whether Einstein was either a "Pantheist" "Deist" "Agnostic" or "PanDiest".
        Kind regards,

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