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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

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The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Jul 22 2013: @ Justin....I think that the story of Adam and Eve is a reference to the time when humans became self-aware.
    They then no longer operated on instinct. They realized their relationships were governed by choices.
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      Jul 23 2013: But the story of Adam and Eve is not a metaphor statement or non-literal. It is a true story that happened and the start of human existence. It's the reason you and I are even alive.
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        Jul 23 2013: Justin,
        You claim that the Garden of Eden Story is true beyond any reasonable doubt, and if I could be so bold to assume that you believe that is so because it is stated in the Bible, and you believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of the only and true God as predicated by the Catholic Church?

        Thank you
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          Jul 23 2013: I do not claim hold to any denomination but if you're asking what I am closely related to it's not the Catholic Church but Reformed Baptist. And I don't believe the story because it is from the bible and the bible is true, which all of that is, I believe it because there is no better story to believe in. What other story is there, that morals and good and evil just evolved into existence? Something does not evolve from nothing because in nothing, only nothing can exist and nothing can come from it.
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        Jul 23 2013: Justin,
        I have many good southern baptists friends here in TN. Now you say- not that the story came from the Bible- bu to you is the best story there is -all literally true to the letter- does that include the serpent that talked to Eve?
        Also what do you mean by "nothing"?

        Thanks!
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          Jul 23 2013: I'm not really understanding what you're saying? Because the story of the serpent that talked to Eve is involved in the same story because after the serpent talked to Eve about eating the fruit of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, she tempted Adam with it. So, I'm not really sure what your question is per se? And where I said "not that the story came from the bible" that does not mean I think that that's not the best reason, because it is, I'm just saying there are other reasons to it besides that one.
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          Jul 23 2013: And my actual quote was this:

          "And I don't believe the story because it is from the bible and the bible is true, which all of that is, I believe it because there is no better story to believe in."

          That changes the meaning of the "quote" you just made of me. Don't misquote me like that please.
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        Jul 23 2013: Justin,
        I apologized to you if I misquoted you, help me understand-Do you literally believe the story of creation as read in the book of Genesis? I hope that I did a better job at communicating the question.

        Thanks!
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          Jul 23 2013: Yes I do believe the story of creation in the book of Genesis. And it's alright, it just changes the meaning of what I was saying by the way you quoted me. Lol
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        Jul 23 2013: Justin,
        Well -Thank you,
        And by which method of understanding did you arrived to the conclusion that the story of creation as told in Genesis is true?

        Be well,
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          Jul 23 2013: Through study of the bible, prophesy of what was to come that is made, and by the fact that the whole bible ties itself together. Everything in scripture is backed up by another verse, which is backed up by another, and another.

          Quick Fun Fact:

          - Did you know that there is more proof for the events in the bible then there is that Julius Caesar was a real person and all of his events were true?
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        Jul 23 2013: Justin,
        Help me to understand you- I don't want to misquote you- To my question"by which method of understanding did you arrived to the conclusion that the story of creation as told in Genesis is true?"your answer is "by the study of the Bible..." " by the fact that the Bible ties itself together" " Everything in scripture is backed up by another verse, which is backed up by another, and another. "
        So I gather, that you are saying to me that Genesis account of creation is true because when you study the Bible (regarding Genesis creation account) the Bible backs itself up, and thus you ascertain the Genesis account as undeniably truth.So the Bible is used as evidence for the Bible.
        Did I understand you correctly? if not please correct me.

        Thanks for your patience.
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          Jul 23 2013: Yes that is true. Because, sadly, I have not studied outside of the Bible for the proof of Adam and Eve. Because of simply being 18 years old and having a job and school, I don't have the time to research like I would like. Maybe you should talk to someone else about that. I'm not ashamed to admit when I don't know something. Lol
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        Jul 23 2013: Justin,
        Understood & well said!

        Thanks
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        Jul 23 2013: Justin,
        I apologized to you if I misquoted you, help me understand-Do you literally believe the story of creation as read in the book of Genesis? I hope that I did a better job at communicating the question.

        Thanks!

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