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Carlos Marquez

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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
Hi Ho Silver Lining


Closing Statement from Carlos Marquez

The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Jul 22 2013: One last comment................What is truth ? My truth is what my reason says is rational, workable satisfactory.Everyone should have their own truth in order to be an authentic person. In my youth, I accepted what I was told was the truth. I have questioned myself and I cannot believe what I was told to believe. I believe in love and if that was the concensus and rightly understood concept We could get along better. I am not saying that anyone else's truth is wrong. I live by what appears reasonable to me. And I am way out of depth in this conversation. I am no scientist although I do have a rudimentary knowledge of the sciences. What a wonderful read this thread was. Thank you Carlos
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      Jul 23 2013: Truth must be absolute. An example of this would be if I were to believe the "truth" that you are a male. Is that true to me, maybe, but is it the actual truth proven through science?
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      Jul 23 2013: Helen,
      Your positive energy is always refreshing Helen, Thank you.

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        Jul 23 2013: Hi Carlos...I just might mention that I used to be an orthodox CATHOLIC. but I just could not justify all the dogma and doctrine. I believe as does Hans Kung that the pope is not infallible. I try to imitate Jesus way in my life (don't always make it) so I call myself a progressive Catholic. BTW years ago II had an inte nse desire to join the society you mentioned and I was told by a couple of priests this was not a good thing.
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          Jul 23 2013: Helen,
          The Priests recommended you well.

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