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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

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The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Jul 23 2013: I heard recently that a photon can exist beyond space and time --- to prove this you need to be a genius unless you're smart enough and can't sleep . As about proving this thing in the case of God I don't know what you need.......

    If by god you understand something then it's very easy to say how can God exist beyond space and time . The explanation would be something like this : because He's God . The problem with this explantion is that it rest on an assumption ---- what you understand by God .
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      Jul 23 2013: EG,
      A photon belongs to a class of zero-time particles called Luxons. For a system to move at the speed of light, would suggest that the spacetime triangle it is moving in (with an imaginary line representing time), would be stretched into infinity. These Luxon particles move along a null path in zero-spacetime. This means from its reference frame( if there was to be any ), it has no passing of time, or duration of space or distance. Time genuinely doesn't pass from the “perspective” of a photon.Whenever there’s a “time effect” there’s a “distance effect” as well, and in this case we find that infinite time dilation (no time for photons) goes hand in hand with infinite length contraction (there’s no distance to the destination).

      And yes, having a subjective definition of a deity based on faith falls short of the objectiveness needed to become naturalistic.

      Thanks!
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        Jul 23 2013: Hi Carlos :

        No offense , but I thought that naturalistic implies rather subjectiveness than objectiveness . And also , you can have an objective definition of God based on faith, faith does not imply subjectivity , in religion thought it means rather a kind of honesty . Suppose you have this definition , wouldn't then be extremly easy to answer your question ?

        I guess you didn't came up with that explantion from yourself ; so it looks like you spent a lot of time learning this things . How do you think somebody who didn't can answer your question (unless that guy is not a genius) ?
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          Jul 23 2013: EG,
          None taken-
          Naturalistic explanations based on the scientific method are not based on subjectivity but rather its opposite.Now If there was an objective definition of a deity you would have to contend with the thousands Gods and their variations all based on subjective interpretation (IE over 40,000 forms of Christianity).
          Anyone can claim anything regarding a deity but that does not make it automatically true.

          You are correct -I don't have a subjective or objective definition of a deity or the supernatural.

          Now maybe because it cannot be answered without the aid of faith, then it becomes a purely metaphysical endeavor-yet millions of our neighbors think otherwise.

          Thanks!
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          Jul 25 2013: Juan,
          Language has indeed its limitations and Physicists must be more precise when talking out of labs or field.We may in be in fact victims of our own frame of reference. And to your point we must establish distinctions in language so that we could build shared meanings and move onward.
          One thing anyone should be repressed in self -expression is fear-as long as you communicate with civility and reason. "Insane theists' are actually counting on that-fear as a repression tool- It fails look at the KKK-is practically dead-. And like I said before in another post it's too late "the cat is out of the bag"

          PS I love Star Trek!

          Cheers!
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          Jul 25 2013: Juan,
          Check out the standard model if you care more about particle Physics (a very groovy subject yeah!) Luxon Theory: http://www.tardyon.de/
          Standard model:http://www.benbest.com/science/standard.html

          Enjoy!

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