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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
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Closing Statement from Carlos Marquez

The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Jul 20 2013: Carlos: Is it you have a waving personality?
    I never expected you resorting to parables to tell me "You are just a kid and so..... naive"
    Your inclusion of the unfortunate Disneyland coordinates says very little.
    It might be you have been so absorbed reading "papers" and visiting science journals ya had no time to open some old or fresh books on philosophical subjects.
    Can you think in terms of absolutes?
    Try to understand the meaning of Omnipresent, Omniscient, which are some of the theological attributes of the Supreme Deity, or drop a little reading into Teilhard de Chardin when he defines the Absolute as the Totum.
    Let's call it the "All". What does it suppose to mean, Carlos?
    All, in a Universal sense means EVERYTHING, so there could be nothing out of it, including your famous and invisible time and your famous and immeasurable space.
    The idea behind the theological concept, when speaking of "God's imagination" is basically the notion of the whole Universe of universes being a dream in the Divine Mind.
    We are also part of the dream. Carlos Marquez and Mike Aparicio are just facets of the dream.
    Take one of your own dreams, for example:
    Is it the places where your dreams take place do look real, within the dream? All the characters appearing in the dream seem so real, so self sufficient, even contradictory and antagonistic... Where is that "all"? In your dreams. In Carlos Marquez dreaming imagination.
    I know you will be tempted to respond: "You cannot prove that! It is just a kid's story!"
    Take the Higgins Boson: IF someone says: That is pure fantasy, worthless and annoyingly crude, then several governments get and put a gigantic amount of Euros to build the largest electrical contraption in world history, finally showing a photo plate with some silly lines and dots! "Bingo! You see? The bosons are real!" The bosons are real! And all the scientific fans go in pleytesia believing it with total respect!
    This is a world of dreamers in a dream.
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      Jul 20 2013: Mike,
      You are right about being busy- You reminded me of Calderon de la Barca "La Vida es Sueño". I must be honest with you I cannot follow you to a "being" that's omnipresent,omniscient and all he other attributes of a Deity. For the first thing that pops into my head is the let's say the 40,000 versions of the "Christianities" worldwide -and counting-.
      Our senses like Unamuno used to say are organs for simplification-that is, they allow us to snatch out of reality what we need to survive-the rest is left to reason-.So is life a Dream? Are we inside some sort of Matrix?-I don't know-for sure,What I like about Physics is that is all about this universe the here and the now.
      Can I see beyond this world we all live in?-No- (unless I use the Hubble telescope)
      I’m here, I’m alive. I've got to play the game according to what I can see.

      Thanks for Teilhard de Chardin I'll have Le Phénomène Humain ordered to add to my reading stack.

      Thanks Miguel!!
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        Jul 22 2013: Chardin is good reading but certainly not for shallow minds. It is so profound. BTW...I see everyone talking about being made in the image of God..Humans have returned the favor and made God in their own iimage and therein lies a problem..Stay happy.
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          Jul 23 2013: Helen,
          Chardin was a Jesuit-I had my share of them- is on my list.
          Why would a deity-any deity- needed a mouth, a hand, eyes? those are developed mechanisms created by natural selection in order for a species to adapt & survive? it may be a bounce of the Anthropic principle, for after all in mainstream religious views, the universe is created for us.

          Thanks Helen,and likewise!

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