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Carlos Marquez

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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
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Closing Statement from Carlos Marquez

The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Jul 21 2013: I just hope that you realize that the metaphysical claims of religion are saying that they know something they can't know. Yes. That's what they say, that God is too complex for our understanding and offset from the universe. Yet they "know" he exists. They are claiming to know something that they can't know but are saying so anyways.

    Claiming to know of spirituality is also another claim often made. There is no spirit within me. What's in me is a heart pumping blood.

    You see, humans have the presumptuous burden of pattern making. We see the universe and ourselves and how it looks so neatly put together and come to the conclusion of well, someone must have designed it! This then builds upon itself with claims and rituals and coincidental sacrifices. But no one's mind is truly open till they are free of this pattern.
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      Jul 22 2013: Brendan,
      Well said,That's the burden: that reason burns on one side and faith comforts on the other-yet mutually exclusive- ,a cognitive dissonance looking for consonance-sometimes at any cost-. I gather that model is doomed to failure as a young generation with more access to information -at least in most western cultures- can see science for what it is instead of the semantic contortions shot from different pulpits.

      Look at the KKK(I'm not saying that the KKK is the same as mainstream religious groups or good people in general) and their twisted views, -some of those KKK member attended church -like clockwork- Now, as a product of old fears and bigotry they died down as new generations saw trough their ignorance, and by Heroes like Jackie Robinson and others, that showed how patently absurd their beliefs were. And so from having huge numbers and congressmen etc, today they are juts a small minority confined to local townships and soon a thing of the past.It was a belief system that unfortunately took the lives of too many people- just for a belief with no evidence-. With no open dialogue in a respectful manner: And from individuals to Nations that is where the crux lies.
      Here in the USA you have vestiges of public ignorance, when you hear government officials stating that women have a biological mechanism to stop a pregnancy(legitimate rape) as they are being raped, abortion leads to cancer ,masturbating fetuses, Darwinian evolution is "just a Theory", Global warming is bogus etc-. And this drives a cultural wedge nationwide that is at its core religious.

      “Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” ~ Rep. Michele Bachmann USA

      Thanks !!

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