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Carlos Marquez

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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
Hi Ho Silver Lining


Closing Statement from Carlos Marquez

The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Jul 20 2013: Oh Deepak!
    I think we are not at the opposite sides of the screen but at the same side! It is only words and names what makes us seem differentiating.
    Coincidentally, the source of my understanding comes also from the Father! As He is the source of all understanding and knowledge.
    But my teachings show me there is NO hierarchy. Only differences in consciousness levels.
    And I also find using many names, no matter how sacred they are just brings confusion and will make occidental minds even more reactive to otherwise fundamental teachings.

    I do think there is one teaching which is basic and fundamental: Do not make images of God. But that does not mean, "do not make statues or symbols". It means: Do not make any ideas portraying God because God is beyond images or names.
    It is much better to Live with Him, to Play with Him, to Dance with Him and to Enjoy life with Him as He does, all the Eternal Present which is not Past or Future.
    And if you find time to do science and discover the inner tricks of creation, that also can be fun... As long as it does not become a "serious business" hiding from your clear Mind the absolute understanding of everything!

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