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Reza Ghiabi

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"Even a broken clock is right twice a day. " Is it really right?

So I posted this quote as my google statues and my friend had an Idea:
"Unless you don't have a reliable standard to compare that clock with, it is useless to consider this fact that the clock might be right 2 times. Clock is a measurement instrument with which you measure something else, so if you wan't to verify it you need another clock which works 100% correct"
What do you think? Shouldn't we consider that maybe others can be right sometimes? How can we define this "standard" that my friend mentioned?

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    Jul 5 2013: My understanding to this metaphor might seem confusing but to me I waver for confusing
    Our reality is created on our mindset and what we perceive
    Its done through consensus or accepted means to an end.
    Once society adopts a predetermined mind set we only achieve repeated results, we are living in a groundhog paradox
    "The only way to change the paradigm is to create another paradigm making the first nul envoid"
    But what we must understand that in order to gain that introspection / insight
    we must awaken our inner source and discover, that we following the wrong paradigm

    So the broken clock metaphor elaborates the fact that we living on broken time that has stagnated, repeating the same results over and over again because the consensus does not allow us to change the status quo.
    So we living in a deluded box that confines our minds to a single thought achieving the same conclusion over and over again. Since we cannot see out side the box.
    We accept that there is no hope, a for gone conclusion that this life and this is what we left with.

    But its not!! We are to diverse to be copies of one another.

    We embrace the celebrity complex, because its displayed as the key to prosperity and higher self
    But what it does it only repeats what we yearn and aspire for Prosperity
    How we perceive this reality is conditioned on our influences.
    We need to look outside the box and discover that clock is broken and that twice everyday, it reminds us that the clock is broken. But we so happy living with this broken clock because its the only clock we know. Its an heirloom of a time period when it worked.
    Humanity has evolved but we mold our current society around the out date hypothesis of philosophers philosophy, from an era that has no relation to our own. We respect those philosophers but not Religions. Both gives evidence through scriptures. but consensus only accept the literature of the intellectual scientific communities. but its was once believed fact that Earth was Flat
    • Jul 6 2013: scriptures are not evidence. anyone can write them and make up any content they choose, this does not constitute fact. people accept scientific literature because they can test it for themselves to see if it's true or not.

      if for example i was to design an extension to my legs that enables me to run twice as fast, and include instructions and diagrams, others can also make them and test the truth of my claim. similarly, religious works can be tested and shown to be false, eg with the earth being flat, the bible claims the earth is flat, and heaven is a solid surface (the 'firmament') held above the sky by 4 pillars at the corners of the earth.
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        Jul 6 2013: Hi ben thanks for replying

        Well scriptures a history in time written by the followers of misers and prophets. Do understand that many of those followers, loved their misers to the extend to making them seem superhuman.
        But I believe they were, but letz take for instant. Sodam and Gomara. a time period when homosexuality and free sex was the order of the day. It perpetuated for centuries until this poor immigrant came along and professed his nobility to prophet-hood. Bearing testimony that man should abstain from such acts. They all scoffed at him and commenced with their actions.
        He was ordered to leave through divine intervention and to take his followers with him.
        It was then the city was turned into stone and covered in sand.
        Sound lot like fairy tales like Medusa and her stone transformation stare. But unlike Medusa
        Archaeologist has found evidence of this city. Google it

        So my point is the scripture might sound like its filled with fantasy but there is evidence contrary.
        Now we come to the point of authenticity. When followers makes any claims, its is 3rd person report. which is subjected to opinion and could be construed as bias.
        When there is 2nd narration and more than one support to the narration, it make it authentic and more supportive. When Jesus, Moses, John or Mohammed spoke you have first account messages. as they were the revealing miser to their people and followers.

        So going down the path of prophet hood or claims of Prophet hood they possessed the link to the spirit world. If our life is an illusion and conjured by the thought of intellectuals or forward or backward thinkers. They must be in contact with their spirituality to entertain any innovative and creative thought. We can conclude a hypothesis through a fixed formula and will repeatedly come to the same conclusion no matter time and space. But that same formula hinder our progress because evolution and nature does not depend on our formula to exist. Anti matter or even our spirit
        • Jul 8 2013: there is no evidence that this man lived, that he said what is claimed was said, nor that a deity took any action. the city of athens also exists, but that doesn't mean athena ever did.

          i wrote a moral story back in high school too. it used real places and people and it was 2nd person narration so does that make it authentic? of course not, the events were metaphorical, as was the dragon king, who never existed.

          also we don't have spirits, we made those up too.
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        Jul 10 2013: Hey Ben, I was really taken by the we don't have spirits. I know to prove such a thing is impossible now but dreaming is pretty spiritual if you ask me. Do you think thoughts have an effect on outcome?
        • Jul 10 2013: a spirit is a concept not a thing. you can attach meaning to a dream and call it spiritual if you like, but that's a person's attaching importance, not it's already being there. similar i guess is that there's no joy without the person experiencing it. joy, fascination, spirituality, these are just words we use to describe processes that occur in our minds, take away the mind and they disappear too. i would be interested to know your definition of "spirit" and "spiritual"?

          it would depend on what you mean by outcome. the outcome of my decision no, thoughts are not the process we've always thought them to be, since it was discovered that we can measure the choice a person is going to take (with an EEG) up to 8 seconds before they make it, while they are still 'thinking'. it seems that the choices we make depend on who we are, and the who we are also determines our thought processes, so they're essentially one and the same. perhaps thoughts are just a way of going through what our brains have realised we already know?

          sorry it's hard to explain. i guess in most simple terms it was thought for a long time to be brain structure -> thoughts -> decisions but they found it's actually brain structure -> thoughts and decisions.

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