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Gay Marriage Rights

Obviously this is an extremely significant issue that has become a daily topic in many households. I am pretty young, starting high school next fall, and I have always been curious to listen to people's opinions on the topic of Gay Marriage, because it is an important part of my life.

I am a triplet, with a sister and a brother, and I suppose one could say I have a unique lifestyle. My siblings and I have been raised in two households our entire lives, the reason being that we have four parents. All of them are gay, meaning my mom's live together, and my dad's live together.

Both of my biological parents are in law enforcement, while my other dad and mom are stay-at-home parents. My mom's have been together for 20 years, and my dad's have been together for 19. We live in California, but my parents live 100 miles apart, with one house being located by the beach, and the other in the countryside. My dad's raise all kinds of animals, and they always teach us important values, along with my mom's as well.

My mom's got married a few years back, when gay marriage was okay in California for that short period of time. My dad's have not gotten married, but with the new laws, they are engaged now and hope to be married as soon as possible.

One of my dads is from Mexico, and he has been here for about 25 years. He is not a citizen, and now that he can get married to the person he loves, he will finally be recognized in the country he loves. My parents have always taught me to accept everyone, and I find it easy to get along with many different varieties of people.

I am starting this debate mainly because I am aware of the religious standpoints, and want to hear more about others outlooks and perspectives on gay marriage, and equality. I am open to all opinions and would like to hear all and every reason as to why you feel that way.

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    Jul 4 2013: Before you get to involved about marriage and all a little history will put things into perspective. In the old days it was about spouses. It seems at first, if you had some land and wanted to farm, the cheapest labor were children, so you took a couple of goats down the road to an old farmer who had daughters. You traded your goats and in time you had help on the farm. As we became more civilized these arrangements where finally recognized. In ancient Rome, unions were announced, big parties were held and the spousal unions were recognized by all. there were gay unions at this time.

    Marriages really didn't come until about 600 years ago. Europe was a bunch of little kingdoms at constant war with each other. The Roman church wanted to stop all this mayhem. So, they came up with a brilliant solution. If a prince is married to the princess next door, in-laws wouldn't go to war. So, they established marriage, gave it a very high place in the church's religious order and proceeded to marry royalty all over Europe and most of the small wars stopped.
    There were no gay marriages in this scenario, as children were to bind the kingdoms together. So, now there is the USA. In the beginning marriages were religious ceremonies. There were some states that had spousal ordinances.
    But somewhere along the line states got into the marriage business. It had to be the worse violation of church and state
    ever, but....
    To make matters worse, the states began to give married couples special benefits and tax breaks. Now gay couples saw the marriage rules as discriminatory and here we are.
    I attended a marriage in France some years ago. It was not a gay couple but the rules are the same for all.
    The couple goes to the city hall and applies for a license. Then they return and complete a spousal contract before a legal official giving oaths and signatures, etc. This couple is now recognized by the state and have all rights and privileges..Church weddings are optional
    • Jul 4 2013: I saw an issue being tackled in C-span a long time ago and one of the panelist did give a good argument protecting against Gay marriage. He argued that because marriages produces children.. to put in simply... children generate markets, as workers, employees, buyers etc... so the state does prioritize heterosexual marriages. Although this is of course just less than half of the total picture. Focusing on this issue, I wonder if somebody ever did a study the effects of homosexual couples without children on the world economy... my opinion is... i doubt of if any effects exist at all given the small number of gay couples.
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        Jul 4 2013: In our conversation, there seems to be children to bolster economic concerns.
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      Jul 29 2013: "Marriages really didn't come until about 600 years ago."

      I first though you were joking, Mike, but your discussion makes it clear you're not. In any case, by 600 years ago marriage had been a flourishing institution all over the world for many thousands of years, certainly back before the beginnings of written history.
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        Jul 29 2013: Paul,
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        Marriage as it is commonly used today came from the Roman Church for reasons rendered. Even the wording of the vows by your local JP is ripped right out of the Sacrament of Marriage of the Church.

        Now as I also mentioned Spousal Contracts have been going on since... 10000 BC. A young man cleared some land, raised some sheep and took a couple down the road and traded them for an old farmers daughter... he traded for a spouse. ..... a contract. And if you read the history it's all there.

        After 12000 years, the price is gone way up past a couple of sheep, I speak only of my contract of fifty years ago....
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          Jul 29 2013: Ah, you were talking about specific wording in the Roman Catholic vows. You're probably right that that language is not ancient. When you said "marriages" I thought you meant marriages.

          Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists today are still using the vows they've used for a thousand years. (Long before the Roman church.) They think they're married. Let's not tell them they're not.
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        Jul 29 2013: Paul, all sarcasm aside...
        the conversation is about this girl who lives in California. Marriage as of I speak is a European / Western Civilization/ Roman Church institution. The term comes from latin origins through middle english to us today. States have taken this ceremony and made it their own and that is the problem

        Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists have ceremonial spousal unions but I am not sure they are using latin terminology.
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          Aug 1 2013: OK, Mike. We'll both just look up the "history of marriage" somewhere, and then we'll both be wiser. You're right that this is an irrelevant branch, but that's often how it goes here on TED conversations. Always good to talk with you.
          Cheers,
          Paul

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