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I need help with a dilemma: What does it mean to be American? And Why does it work?

Up-date to thread’s scope: (July 10th)

Thanks for all the comments, they have been very helpful.
I have sorted out my feeling on being American, it maybe a jumbled mess but it is working for me. And to avoid rehashing what has been said I’ll leave it at that.

But the large diversity of views here, and within America’s culture, politics, values, heritages, etc. I have to ask;

Why does it work?

By most standards we are a highly dysfunctional group, and should be a failed society.
But here we are a great nation, and by most logic that should not be the case.
Yes we are the home of the free and the brave, but also home of tyrants, cowards, passive, aggressive, moral and immoral and I could go on and on forever.

Americans are often labeled as racist and intolerant, if that was true we would not have more nationalities and different cultures than any other country in the world.
Being American is a lessen tolerance and that is something we can’t experience in heaven, but I feel the lessen goes deeper than that.


Is American where you live, or is American a belief in freedom and liberty for all?

Firstly let me state I believe we are here to learn from experience that we can’t have in heaven. And recently I have had two events in my life that have me confused as to the lesion I should be learning from them.

My Background: I’m just an average lower-middleclass Midwest American.

Experience 1: I have been researching my ancestry for about a year now, and I feel pride with my findings. So far my ancestors range from English noble that came to America in 1633, to peasant framer and serving maid from Prussia (Germany) in 1820. No slave owners, only union army soldiers, fought for America in the war for independence, etc.

Experience 2: Many people throughout the world, now are fighting and/or protesting for freedom and libe


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I just noticed that when I added the up-date at the top it cutoff some at the bottom.
Basically Experience 2 was feeling shame for the current America and how all the founding values gone, and asked how to address the confecting feelings.
I have concluded that I can feel pride for upholding the founding values of America, and as I witness its fail I should feel sadness instead of shame. And find comfort in that like the Roman Empire it values will live on thought out the world, even though it exists in name only.

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    Jul 7 2013: America is an idea which has raised the standard of living of the world more than any other country in the history of the world.

    It has done infinitely more good than harm, what other countries can claim that?
    • Jul 7 2013: More good then harm? Its probably been engaged in more wars then any other country in the world. Its extending its influence in the world by using its military might. Its probably the largest terroist organization in the world. Run by rich people that are served and kept by middle class (whatever that means) and poor people.
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        Jul 7 2013: Yes it was terrible how the U.S. stopped Germany and Japan in WWll, lets see is South Korea better off today than North Korea? More recently I will give you we should not have gone to Iraq or Afghanistan which appear more useful for keeping the defense contractors gainfully employed.

        More wars than any other country? More than England, France, Germany, Rome, I don't think so.

        More good by inventing electricity, the cell phone, the airplane, the internet, the telephone, radio transmission, tv transmission, etc Perhaps the UK invented more but the point is that it was a free market in either case.
        • Jul 7 2013: over 50% bs. don't swallow it, the truth is more complex but not at all hard to find with the resources recently made available. google. jingo lives on ignorance and vanity, often as compensation for anxiety of being left out or worse.

          cambodia is worse off than china but then the us didn't bomb the living f' out of china... canada's better off than mexico, cuban schools are better than most of the usa's... usa is a world leader though, partic in violence, murder, suicide, crime, incarceration, vanity... famous for it's stupidity even, esp, among it's most boorishly boastful bsers

          The Germans are the historic bearers of the spirit of freedom. The French are frankly free, the UK is the land of liberty, Egypt and Iraq mothers of the world, China the centre of the world, Greece the land of the individual, Jews God's chosen people (atheists), Christians- God's chosen people..., Muslims- Gods chosen people, Russia-land of the free, ....
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        Jul 7 2013: wblakesx java right back at ya

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