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What is treasonable?

In light of the recent charge of treason being levied on Snowden, I would ask what is justifiably treasonable vs. freedom of citizen information? How does the charge of treason in this case compare to say, George Bush Jr., who brought a whole nation to war based on his selected information and thus causing the deaths of tens of thousands of our citizens?

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    Jun 28 2013: treason is a nonexistent moral category. it was invented by kings and rulers, and it is nothing but a lame excuse for crushing the opposition, any voice of dissent. convicting someone for treason is an act of violence in order to restore or maintain dominance. such a concept has no place in modern societies, and its existence demonstrates the amount hypocrisy we have to stomach every day.
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        Jun 28 2013: kings and rulers can be held accountable ... by the new kings and rulers.

        gaddafi imprisoned, tortured and killed his opposition. this is his crime, not treason. imprisoning, torturing and killing is immoral, regardless of it is being treason, or a punishment for treason.

        releasing information about evil actions is moral, even if it is treason.

        therefore, treason is nothing but a term to label those that did not commit any crimes otherwise, but the powers that be want to punish them.
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        Jun 28 2013: you are a very talented spokesman for the government. but alas, it has nothing to do with reality.

        society is not a real entity, it is only a somewhat useful term with very limited scope. one can not hurt society, one can only hurt people. if you hurt the people, you are committing crime. such crimes have names like murder, theft, fraud, threatening, extortion and so on. the very notion that a specific crime is "against society as a whole" underlines that said crime is not a real crime, it hurts nobody but some powerful elite that does not want to admit that, and instead they use heavily loaded words to cloud the view of the less vigilant. like you for example. you have bought that propaganda on face value. you allow evil acts of violence if they are explained cleverly.

        you should not. it is quite safe to say that a traitor is your true friend, and those that catch the traitor are the tyrants.
        • Jul 2 2013: To 'Not Here": that's America's problem right now.... the government isn't being held accountable by society any longer; they feel they can do as they please and ignore the will of their constituents.
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        Jun 28 2013: don't getting personal includes not calling your opponent in a debate "Pinter", but it is a good sign that you later edited it out.

        contradiction is not refutation. where are the arguments? you have a tendency to get really aggressive when facing any opposing opinion. that attitude usually leads to leaving the forum sooner or later.
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        Jun 28 2013: no you didn't. you just contradicted.
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        Jun 29 2013: if two people disagree, they repeat their opinion over and over without backing it up with anything or trying to refute what the other said? well, then i'm certainly doing it wrong. one of us is doing it wrong.
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        Jun 29 2013: tl;dr
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        Jun 29 2013: do you have google in your country? last time you have managed to google-translate something, so i suppose you have
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        Jun 29 2013: no it shows i have not too much patience
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        Jun 29 2013: it also happens when someone writes an entire page of text that contains not so much new about a topic that is already discussed.

        i expect people to be brief and straight to the core of their argument.
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        Jun 29 2013: yes, i'm aware that you will not write your opinion in a concise way.
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        Jun 29 2013: you were so concise you ran into character limit

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