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Cory Warshaw

Curator @ TEDxUCDavis, TEDxUCDavis

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Science vs God?

I am the Curator of TEDxUCDavis, and I wanted to create a page where people could discuss the talk at my event by Bryan Enderle: Science vs God. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn7YQOzNuSc&list=PLsRNoUx8w3rNNNJZyHiIb3MMhM3QQyiAD&index=10

First and foremost, I wanted to make a disclaimer. The views expressed in this talk do not reflect the views of the broader TED-organization. The selection was made entirely by me and the content was produced entirely by Mr Enderle.

I invited Bryan to speak despite the fact that I am an atheist, and knowing how often I would cringe at these types of talks. In my view what Bryan does differently is merely make a plausibility argument for traits that seem too fantastic to many. He is not arguing for the existence of God. I was once a vindictive atheist who cheered for Richard Dawkins in his debates and despised religious thought. Eventually however, I realized that this debate has been raging for centuries and to simply discount all the brilliant people who had faith would be too simple. There is a debate to be held yes, but it does not need to be so vitriolic and people of both sides can learn from each other.

In this debate section please keep your comments specifically to the points discussed in his talk, and try not to stray to other issues. I think Bryan titled his talk to be deliberately provocative, since it is this false dichotomy between faith and science that he tries to break down in his talk. If we can think how the two philosophies can inform the other, then we can have a productive discussion.

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  • Jun 26 2013: My idea of science vs god is that the two actually coexisted in almost everyone. Science deals with, or connected to, everything which can be touched or(not and) seen or heard or sensed. It is also some thing practical and generally reliable to carry out the needs or wants of our everyday life. For instance, we go to work every weekday by driving in a car or taking a bus, the cars, buses and the office to work in are usually there, this is not illusions, at least in ordinary sense in reality of our life. You may argue that this could be illusions, but in practical sense, almost 100% of us wouldn't have a thought to doubt their existence.
    I would define the religion as the spiritual life or imagination. Everyone of us must have certain dreams, fantasies and future goals, or even fears, in which we imagine what will happen in the future (sometimes in the past also). This spiritual life is usually different from person to person, according to his/her cultural background which is related to religion and any other tracks of belief. these spiritual imaginations could be originated from genetic inheritance, education, or any personal encounters or experience. One may be non-religious or agnostic, but probably no one could be without any fantasy or dream. So broadly speaking, everybody has a spiritual belief of one kind or another. Someone might insist that there is definitely a god in his/her firm belief, but realistically this belief would not be as tangible as the physical facilities in his/her real life. In probability sense, one would be almost 99.99% sure that when he/she wakes up, there will be a car ready to take him/her or both to their place of work. On the other hand, they probably would believe that there will be something happen to them by the bless of god, say, with 90% probability.
    In conclusion, the life with science is more tangible to most people than that from their spirituality. But there is no reason why the two beliefs can't coexist within.
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      Jun 27 2013: Good day Bart,

      From my understanding and of course the biggest caveat is with in infinity where do you start counting?

      "Science deals with, or connected to, everything which can be touched or(not and) seen or heard or sensed."

      Then science says that you have never actually touched anything, that would be your senses lying to you or an illusion. You are 99.9999999999999% not there even though you think you are whole, this again would be your senses lying to you or an illusion. The only thing the eye can see is light. Not metal or plastic this again would be your eyes or senses lying to you, or an illusion. This is just true truth processing nothing more. The image that your eyes actually take in are flipped upside down and inverted The brain then has to re-flip this image to create the reality that you see around you. All of this said does not make the world you see around you less real. Just not truth in some weird way while also being truth. Sorta like science mantra everything is theory. I would say that this is true for god/gods as well. That they are both true and false just like the world we live in.
      • Jun 28 2013: The term science defined BY YOU, not of all ordinary people who drive a car by sitting in and touched it and driving in it, is just your fantasy that is not agreed by most of the people in the world.
        Dream on, sir. However, try to talk to people on the street if you tell them that he is not touching the car. If most of us have sensed and seen and touched THINGS, WHICH WORKED IN ALL OUR, AND THE SCIENTISTS' LIFE, then who care about your definition of touching as being illusion or reality.
        There are scientific theories and scientific technology and practices. We don't live in theories, but in realty. For most people, the argument about theories of any kind, simply wouldn't be of interest to them at all!
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          Jul 2 2013: This is not my science or my definitions. If you or a common person cannot handle truth that is not my fault that is yours and your projections. If you know anything about quantum physics and you look at the walls that are around you and you ask are these walls solid, are the static. (did you watch the video?)
          The simple answers is no they are not solid and are moving. This is no different than any other idea. Its just true truth processing. Might be hard for some to wrap their brain around but it doesn't make it less truth.

          I am sorry your reality is not what you think it is if you are constantly going to be lying to yourself what you think "reality" is you will never live in reality because it will always be a lie

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