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Cory Warshaw

Curator @ TEDxUCDavis, TEDxUCDavis

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Science vs God?

I am the Curator of TEDxUCDavis, and I wanted to create a page where people could discuss the talk at my event by Bryan Enderle: Science vs God. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn7YQOzNuSc&list=PLsRNoUx8w3rNNNJZyHiIb3MMhM3QQyiAD&index=10

First and foremost, I wanted to make a disclaimer. The views expressed in this talk do not reflect the views of the broader TED-organization. The selection was made entirely by me and the content was produced entirely by Mr Enderle.

I invited Bryan to speak despite the fact that I am an atheist, and knowing how often I would cringe at these types of talks. In my view what Bryan does differently is merely make a plausibility argument for traits that seem too fantastic to many. He is not arguing for the existence of God. I was once a vindictive atheist who cheered for Richard Dawkins in his debates and despised religious thought. Eventually however, I realized that this debate has been raging for centuries and to simply discount all the brilliant people who had faith would be too simple. There is a debate to be held yes, but it does not need to be so vitriolic and people of both sides can learn from each other.

In this debate section please keep your comments specifically to the points discussed in his talk, and try not to stray to other issues. I think Bryan titled his talk to be deliberately provocative, since it is this false dichotomy between faith and science that he tries to break down in his talk. If we can think how the two philosophies can inform the other, then we can have a productive discussion.

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    Jun 24 2013: Hi Cory.
    I believe Bryan is exactly correct. Science & God can both be real, but humans tend to have their own agendas which tends to put them in one camp or another. IF there really is a God, then Science should help us find Him. It worked for me!
    The water is greatly muddied by the plethora of claims for pseudo gods, & science making claims for which there is no real scientific backing. If we can narrow down god to one who is indicated by true scientific endeavour, then we may get somewhere. Materialistic science will never prove God however. One must assume that any True God, in the sense of Creator, would have furnished us with 'God Sensing' equipment built in, so it seems only Faith can make the final step.

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        Jun 24 2013: The overwhelming number of candidates for the job are described as males with human characteristics. However modern sensibilities may be uncomfortable with this preconception. As far as the science goes, I agree that the form of god should take should be decided by the evidence.
        Whether we should attribute sex to a god is a moot point. Surely this would only be relevant if here were two of them ?
        I am a Christian, please excuse my bias.

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          Jun 25 2013: One rabbi told me, in Hebrew Saint Spirit is she, a female. So it`s a complete family in Cristianity - God father, Spirit-mother and the son. So how many gods in what genders Christianity has?
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        Jun 25 2013: Gender is not really important for Christians for we are all one in Christ.
        Galatians 3v28
        "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
        Our eternal state is unlikely to have genders.
        Mark 12v25
        "For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."
        The Christian God is Triune, or Three in One, Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. The Father & Holy Spirit are Spiritual Beings; so gender does not apply. The Son, of course, is Jesus Christ, who was a man, but is now a " Glorified " human. He is God, the Creator whom we worship. He came to earth as a man, & left earth as a man. Judging by Mark it seems likely that He is no longer gender sensitive. Christian women are quite happy to worship Christ without a care whether He is a male. He came to earth to connect with mankind (That includes women).
        I'm going to stop this nonsense now, it's irrelevant.

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        Jun 25 2013: The fact is that the world is run by men; that's just the way it is. The bible tells us why, but you may have other explanation. I don't think this has much to do with the topic.

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