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Every ONE Green Energy Job Created by Ontario Liberal-NDP Coalition Costs $6.7 MILLION?

Let’s recap so that we all readily understand exactly that this Ontario liberal-NDP coalition political party government has decided.

Now 900 green energy jobs shall cost $6 Billion to taxpayers in energy buyback costs over the next twenty years for a downsized Samsung investment of $5 Billion. With the possibility of perhaps 9,000 temporary green energy jobs!

A $6 Billion taxpayer funded cost to secure $5 Billion from Samsung and 900 green energy jobs that are protected only until 2016? And the politically estimated possibility of some 9,000 temporary construction jobs reduced from the original estimate of 16,000!

That works out to now costing the taxpayers $6.7 Million for every ONE new green energy job from the 900 to be created from this downsized Samsung investment of $5 Billion at a taxpayer cost of $6 Billion for 900 new green energy jobs to be protected only unit 2016!

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    Jun 26 2013: I stand corrected, their lifespan is not 25 but rather 15years!

    The Renewable Energy Foundation (REF) has revealed that the economic life spans of onshore wind turbines is between 10 and 15 years, and not the 20 to 25 years predicted by the renewable energy industry.

    The research was conducted by a leading professor at the University of Edinburgh and looked at wind farm performance in the UK and Denmark.

    It suggests that after ten years turbines can lose a third of their generating capacity due to wear and tear, making them no longer economically viable.
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    Jun 25 2013: Red conservative states like Utah, Theo?
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    Jun 24 2013: It is true. At present Ontario's !Supply Mix* for installed generation capacity includes:
    Nuclear Nuclear: 12,998 MW or 36.2%
    Gas Gas: 9,987 MW or 27.9%
    Coal Coal: 3,293 MW or 9.2%
    Hydro Hydro: 7,939 MW or 22.1%
    Wind Wind: 1,560 MW or 4.3%
    Biomass Other (wood waste, biogas, etc): 122 MW or 0.3%

    Therefore once the Samsung's energy investment of $5 Billion is finished, and the 20 year energy buyback is completed, it appears Ontario's wind energy would account for 4,060MW in total capacity.

    Cheers,

    http://www.ieso.ca/
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      Jun 24 2013: Would it be cheaper with out any government involvement?

      Are the projected costs going to remain static for that 20yr?

      If they are it would be the first time in history that it has.
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        Jun 25 2013: Apparently the nom de plume poster using the name, LaMar Alexander, would have us all believe that government press releases for program ideals are somehow unbiased and can be used for making educated decisions, as opposed to making decisions based on factual results as they relate to current analysis of the government's press releases!

        Just an observation!
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        Jun 25 2013: The costs for a utility scale wind turbine in 2012 range from about $1.3 million to $2.2 million per MW of nameplate capacity installed.

        Wind turbines are unmanned, remote power plants which, unlike conventional power stations are very much exposed to highly variable, harsh weather conditions, ranging from calm to severe winds and conditions ranging from tropical heat, lightning, arctic cold, hail and snow. In addition, because of these external variations, wind turbines undergo constantly changing loads, unlike conventional power plants.

        As a result of these highly variable operational conditions, there is high mechanical stress on wind turbines unmatched in any other form of power generation, and they therefore demand a high degree of maintenance to provide a safe, cost effective and reliable power output with acceptable equipment life.

        The wind industry currently uses only Reactive Maintenance (fix it when it breaks) and Preventive Maintenance (following the wind turbine manufacturer’s service manual).

        Predictive Maintenance techniques and strategies are well known in more mature industries, such as in the energy (oil & gas) and utilities (coal and nuclear) sectors.

        A wind farm in Canada, megawatt class turbines, age: 3 years developed a gear box bearing fault that required the complete refurbishment of the gearbox, which necessitated the replacement of the existing gearbox with a new one. The 300 ton capacity crane was ordered as well as a replacement gearbox. The crane arrived and bad weather set in. The work was on hold for the next 3 weeks due to the weather and unsafe work conditions.

        Result:
        Crane costs exceeded $ 150,000.00, plus
        an energy/revenue loss of approximately $26,000.00; plus
        replacement gearbox, at over $250,000.

        Maintenance, repairs and replacement cost can be very costly.
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        Jun 25 2013: I can assure you that I found just under 100 names for Lamar Alexander, including a senators, and NO apparent American with the spelling LaMar Alexander, as your post and ebooks indicate, that is it.

        Having said that I concur with your statement Hydro, nuclear and coal power plants also have high maintenance costs but you previously failed to mention that wind turbines have a lifespan of 20 to 25 years and then are decommissioned! Thus your turbines cannot produce 4,060 MW a year for another hundred years as you have stated and would lead everyone to believe as fact.

        My comments only require my own personal approval on any issues. I would further suggest as an observation that if you refer to another human as another RW extremist then you on the other hand should be considered as a LW extremist!
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    Jun 24 2013: Do you object to that?

    I don't know why government is so good at business. Just look at the excellent example of our brilliant president in this area of green energy. The guy who start these business love it, I mean if you can't trust government who can you trust? I thought the Canucs were smarter than us dumb ass Yankees, always have to be vigilant...
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        Jun 24 2013: For me personally when the provincial government in Ontario spends $6 Billion in energy buyback costs to Samsung corporation to invest $5 billion in Ontario's energy plan that produced 1,369 megawatts is not good business planning or the best use of taxpayers dollars.

        I.E. A $5 Billion Samsung investment producing 1,369 megawatts of green power down from 2,500 megawatts. At the consumer and taxpayer buyback energy cost of $6 Billion over 20 years and 900 green energy jobs protected only until 2016.

        Recap, that works out costing Ontario taxpayers $6.7 Million for every ONE new green energy job from the 900 jobs protected only unit 2016 created from this downsized Samsung investment of $5 Billion.

        Cheers
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    Jun 23 2013: $6.7 Million is the cost for every ONE job created under the Ontario government’s liberal-NDP coalition political party government through their acceptance of the downsized amended Samsung investment in the liberal party’s green energy program as originally reported by Antonella Artartuso, Queens Park Bureau Chief for the Sun Media Corporation.

    Yet another scandal and continuing waste of taxpayer’s money thanks to the Ontario liberal party’s government as it continues to be propped up by the Ontario big labour and unionized workers party the NDP party!

    Liberal party premier Kathleen Wynne and former liberal Premier McGuinty’s political energy deal with Samsung was going to create 16,000 new green energy jobs at taxpayer energy buy back cost of $9.7 Billion for an original investment of $7 Billion by Samsung!

    Resulting in a $2.7 Billion taxpayer cost in securing a $7 Billion Samsung energy investment in Ontario for a possible 16,000 green energy jobs!

    However as of today this taxpayer funded investment cost of $2.7 Billion has resulted in only 641 jobs. (401 jobs at CS wind, 200 jobs at Siemens and 30 jobs SMA Solar as reported by Antonella Artuso, with thanks)

    Now, Samsung’s reduced investment shall be $5 Billion for those originally proposed 900 green jobs with the taxpayers being on the hook for a reduced energy buyback cost of $6 Billion?

    A $6 Billion taxpayer funded cost to secure a $5 Billion Samsung energy investment and 900 green energy jobs that are protected only until 2016? With the politically estimated possibility of some 9,000 temporary construction jobs reduced from the original estimate of 16,000!

    That works out now costing the taxpayers $6.7 Million for every ONE new green energy job from the 900 to be created by this downsized Samsung investment of $5 Billion at a taxpayer energy buyback cost of $6 Billion. With these 900 new green energy jobs to be protected only unit 2016!

    That is the jest of the liberal-NDP coalition energy plan!