Amr Salah

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The Roles of Humans and the Relationship between Humans and Earth

This is an open discussion that is basically about "the roles of humans" and "the relationship between humans and earth". All opinions are welcome. (as long as they are not insulting in any manner to anyone and as long as they are, preferably, centered around the main questions of the discussion)

The main questions (which are to be discussed separately and with more details within the discussion) are:
1. What do you think the primary roles of humans are?
2. What do you think "the nature" of the role of humans is?
3. "Humans have to seek to satisfy their basic (material and immaterial) needs for survival, but this should in no way keep humans busy from doing their role, or roles." Do you agree or disagree? Why?
4. How do you describe the nature of "sinning"?

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    Jun 23 2013: Hello Amr, and thank you for the invitation to participate in your discussion. There are probably as many answers to your questions as there are humans in our world, and I offer only my own perspective:>)

    My primary role, as a human, is to learn grow and evolve as an individual, while contributing to the whole. Within that context, there are many secondary roles, which we participate in throughout our life adventure. In my perception, we interconnect with everything, so our "nature", is to be part of everything that is natural. Unfortunately, humans have, in some respects attempted to be above and somehow elevated to the point where we have sometimes forgotten our interconnections with each other and the natural world.

    I believe that we can have our basic needs met, and I agree with you that it in no way keeps humans from doing their role(s). Sometimes, perhaps people get stuck with their secondary roles, which prevents recognition of the interconnections with the whole? Perhaps that is how and why some folks are disconnected from the whole. For example, some people may be so intent with their own need to satisfy basic needs for survival, they might forget that other people have this same need and desire. Then we see some folks taking from others in an imbalanced way.

    The origin of the word "sin" means to "miss the mark" or "miss the target". There are many interpretations of the word, and unfortunately, some religious interpretations have used the concept of "sin" as a threat for the purpose of controlling people, in my perception.

    For example, I do not believe that "missing the mark" in one of our primary or secondary roles is going to end up in an eternity of suffering in hell. To me, life is an exploration, and missing the mark for me, means I try again to "hit the target". It is a matter of learning, growing and evolving with each and every experience.
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      Jun 24 2013: Welcome and thank you for your participation (and thanks to everyone who participated.)
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    Jun 19 2013: Thanks to all participants!
    I thought posting this topic would provide a chance to see different opinions, views and perspectives. I think each opinion enriches this discussion because it represents one's own unique experience and understanding of life. (perhaps like many different plants would grow on a land that is watered with the exact same water - though healthy plants would need the right nutrients and access to sunlight, I think?)

    I could have replied to each comment and say 'I think this is good" or "I don't think this is good", but It was never my intention to impose my opinion. Thus, I'd like to ask you to think of the questions as an invitation for one (everyone including myself) to think and to state one's own answer.
    (There won't be gladiators or judges in this discussion. Everyone is welcome.)
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    Jun 17 2013: 1) To know God and enjoy him forever.
    2) To have dominion over the Earth, to nurture it while being nutured by it.
    3) Agree. Survival is a benefit of fulfilling our role.
    4) Anything done for any reason other than one's faith in God is sin.
  • Jun 21 2013: Earth is our human's mother:).we often sing these in song.
  • Jun 18 2013: I had this conversation yesterday!
    In my opinion, I believe that the purpose of mankind is to preserve their individuality while serving man kind.
    With or without a structured economy, government, money etc (these are all ideas we made up btw, they dont have to remain our way of life) we as human beings will still have various duties or roles to help each other out for ourselves, our families, neighborhood, genders, religions, ethnicity, species etc.
    We all know or have an idea of how the moon, stars, planets, and earths position affect our minds bodies and spirits, I think its time that we all become one with our planet and galaxy. We must show love to our planet, or our planet will push us off in order to heal itself. We are all made up of the plants, land, and water around us, so that should be all that we consume. All these made up medications, vaccinations, processed foods and eating meat has done nothing but kept us sick and disrupted our psychological progress.
    We must accept death and life better. Nowadays expecting a child and death have such horrible stigmas. Its pretty sad. We have created so many barriers that prevent human beings from reaching their full potential, money being number one. Money has been the cause of so much corruption, illnesses, death, and it has inhibited us as a species from moving forward to an energy free life style.
    It would be so much easier, stress free, and lawful for one to maintain their needs for survival and still help mankind if there wasnt such a strong presented need for trade and monetary exchanges, and we didnt have such apathetic people ruling and ruining our earth and our bodies, minds, and spirits. We are such a selfish species, we only give if we're getting something in return, even if it is something as obsolete as "legal tender".
    Sinning is an idea, a belief. My idea of sinning is doing anything harmful to your earth, or brothers and sisters directly or indirectly.
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    Jun 18 2013: . .
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    I think:

    "Sinning" is being happy invalidly or out of the valid scope of our instincts formed 10,000 years ago.
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    Jun 18 2013: 1. I think the primary role of humans to further their species survival. I don't think humans and Earth have any "special connection" besides that it is our habitat.
    2. Not sure exactly what this question is asking, but I didn't agree with the premise in the comment so...
    3. Disagree, because seeking the basic needs for survival has to come first before we can do our role or we'll not be able to fulfill our role.
    4. Nature of sinning is doing something opposing our role. So mainly killing with my primary role.
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    Jun 16 2013: 4. How do you describe the nature of "sinning"?
    This is while considering that:
    - the body, on its own, does not commit sins because it has no free will (I think?)
    - the soul's nature is beyond our knowledge
    - "The body" is described as "alive" when it has (or it contains) a "soul" and it is described as "dead" when the "soul" leaves it. A "dead" body is no longer any different from any other object like mud, chairs, mountains or sand. After death, "the body" slowly decays to basic elements and returns to earth.
    - There is a constant conflict between "the self" and "the mind". "The self" seeks to boundlessly fulfill its desires, even if it harms itself, while "the mind" keeps restraints (in the form of principles and beliefs for the individual human, or in the form of laws for a community) that ensure the safety of the individual human.
    (Also, what do you think the role of the 'heart' in this process is?)
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    Jun 16 2013: 3. "Humans have to satisfy their basic (material and immaterial) needs for survival, but this should in no way keep humans busy from doing their role, or roles." Do you agree or disagree? Why?
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    Jun 16 2013: 2. If you agree with the belief that all angels and all beings in university (heavens and earth) worship God, and angels in particular worship God tirelessly, and considering that humans live on earth (so far, and until they die) and that the human body is not specially tough, physically, and that humans get tired quickly and they need to constantly meet certain basic needs (they need to sleep and eat etc) what do you think "the nature" of the role of humans on earth is?
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    Jun 16 2013: 1. What do you think the primary roles of humans are?
    This is with the consideration that there may be a special relationship between humans and earth. (which is that human body is originally of dust and water, or mud, and that humans live all their (earthly'?) lives on earth and when they die the body - just the body, perhaps - becomes a part of earth.)