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Be the Change.....Do unto Others...... Just Words?

This article caught my eye.


What do you think of this?


Closing Statement from W T

This debate topic was essentially a discussion of an article that dealt with the distribution of Bibles and Atheist literature at 11 high schools in Orange County, Florida.

I invite anyone coming here to read through the thread and enjoy the many links provided.

I have learned quite alot from the information shared here, as I'm sure you all have also.

Most notibly, is the wrong idea many have of the term "separation of church and state" in this country.

I want to thank Pabitra and Edulover for your two last posts, I apologize that I was not able to respond to them due to the time difference between our two sides of the globe.

Pabitra, your last entry gives us much to think about. They are wonderful words to close this debate. Thank you!

Thank you to all who contributed!!!

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    Jun 18 2013: This title is really confusing btw, I don't understand how it's related to the explanation...
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      Jun 18 2013: You know, I think you are right....I picked the title based on words from the article, but I think I might need to change it.

      Any suggestions?

      I thought you might like the patheos article.....If you find any other articles on this issue feel free to post them. I want to show both sides of the issue at hand.

      As for what you wrote under my comment to Pabitra...I am at a loss for words.
      I have no idea what you mean by your comment.

      I have tried to be neutral in my comments. If anything, I have expressed my distaste in bringing religion or religious literature inside schools.

      So I'm not sure how to take your comments.
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        Jun 18 2013: Maybe "Should bibles be handed out in school?" or "Is it right to hand out religious scriptures and/or anti-religious scriptures in school?" and I would also add the article from Patheos in the explanation so that both views are presented at the same time.
        But those are merely suggestions, it is your Conversation to do as you please with.

        Considering my comment under Pabitra I was reacting to this:

        "So, what do the elite missionary schools do with all the money they take in?
        Do they put it back into the local community?"

        The last part there is biased, you're searching for a way to justify the eating of cow dung and high intuition fees...
        But that's just what I think that you're doing, it would fit the pattern as I see it...

        P.S. I mean no offence by this.
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          Jun 18 2013: It would fit what pattern? I have a pattern? Really?

          How can you read so much into my words?

          I am searching for a way to justify the eating of cow dung....are you serious man?

          You are so totally off on your perception of my words.

          And, I'll think about your suggestion for changing the title......

          If anybody else feels the title should be changed, I welcome suggestions.
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          Jun 20 2013: Hi Jimmy,I understand you don't mean any offence by this,but we can assume that your words might offend someone if his/her mind is not that open.I just want to ask you are you more likely to be hawkish,or dovish in your real life? Straightforwardness,integrity,impulsiveness?Just my curiosity.
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        Jun 18 2013: Everybody has a pattern, can't you see one in me? It may not be correct (like my observation of you) but we all have patterns. And our mind is really good at finding them.

        Yes I'm serious.

        Maybe I've just read the wrong parts (not saying that it's all wrong!!) there's just so much to read.
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          Jun 18 2013: I do not look for patterns....no I do not see one in you.

          I will say this, I dislike the idea of opening a missionary school for the elite.
          I asked about what, if anything, they do with the money, to see if they helped out locally, or pocketed the money......I am waiting for Pabitra to reply.

          I am hoping that they do something good with the money they take from the rich....hopefully they use it to set up other schools to help the poorer Indians.
          But that might not be the answer I get.

          I ask, because I am curious, and not because I want to side with the church.
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        Jun 18 2013: Well, you don't need to look for them, it's inherent in the human brain. (can you honestly say that you didn't see the pattern in me responding to this?)

        Here's some reading that I think will make you understand what I'm talking about. (any single one should do)


        I got that you disliked that, I also understood that you were hoping for an answer that they were doing good with that money. That is why I said what I said.

        You may not want to side with them but I'm guessing that you'd be glad if you could?
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          Jun 18 2013: It is so dangerous to assume what another person is thinking and what another person's motive is for doing something.

          And to come right out and say that you practice such a philosophy of life is, well...................I lack words.

          I dislike any foreign group going into a country to "help" them, and then turning around and fleecing them.

          I have no idea why Pabitra included the example that he did, I am asking questions to try and glean a purpose and further details. Who knows, maybe I'll learn something.

          It is my hope that everyone walks away from this conversation with a clearer picture of how religion (any religion) or non-religious groups interact with each other and with schools.

          As for the links you provided, I appreciate the thought, but it is not the topic for discussion here.

          You are welcome to continue providing information for the topic at hand.
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          Jun 18 2013: I completely agree that our brain is a pattern-finding machine. Our ability to make conclusions and draw cause-effect relationships is not much different than that of a Pavlov's dog. This is exactly how superstitions, prejudice, and stereotypes are created. Religion has little to do with it.

          “We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it and stop there lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove lid again and that is well but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.”

          ― Mark Twain

          This quote applies equally to atheists and believers. Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not all Christians are anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-evolution and anti-science. I don't think that atheists are less charitable or more immoral than believers. I even think that collecting any data to prove one way or another is immoral by itself.
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        Jun 20 2013: You know Mary,I'm curious about your feeling,while you have conversation with someone in TED,like this one with Jimmy,I'm positing it is not that pleasant and smooth? Some kind of misunderstanding,you know it's different from conversation between you and me.

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