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Why are companies/corporations allowed to patent things they did not create?

Prime example: Monsanto. I think this is one of the most counter-productive things done in modern times.

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I appreciate every single one of you and your input on my conversation. For the most part we are all on the same page and understand the damage this is causing to not only us personally but everyone we know as well. Now it is time to take action and let this dream flourish. I, personally, will not file a patent EVER for any reason. If I have a world changing idea it will be open for everyone to enjoy and use. THIS is the cooperation over competition that I dream of. THIS is the way we got to where we are today. Cavemen didn't say pay me for fire I discovered it. They simply shared the knowledge to further their world. They cooperated. I hope we all can convey this message and help others understand the benefits we could all enjoy. Until the next conversation, peace be with you all and once again THANK YOU ALL!

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  • Jun 12 2013: Greed, Control, Monopoly, Chicago Economics. Enough said !
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    Jun 8 2013: The was a recent program about this on "This American Life." The firm they profiled in the most recent show was "Intelectual Ventures"
    Two different shows.

    The most recent 5/31/13: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/496/when-patents-attack-part-two

    The other from 7/22/11 http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/441/when-patents-attack

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures

    The company's response: http://www.intellectualventures.com/index.php/insights/archives/intellectual-ventures-comments-on-this-american-life-story
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    Jun 7 2013: doing my routine about IP. here is an hour long lecture on the topic:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRqsdSARrgk
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    Jun 5 2013: I can presume that organizations like Monsanto are allowed that because they bought the law allowing them to do so. Patents guarantee monopoly to companies and that is something they love because it means theres no competition and profits are unimaginable. Then all the scarce-brains guys behind these companies can buy all those toys called yachts, villas, jet planes, expensive suits, etc. Its the elites of low-lifelesness' paradise.

    Talking about patents only, my position is strictly against them. I know they are kind of a motivation for inventors and researchers. But theres one thing that I can't accept - that one can invent something that saves lives and can make life much better for people or animals suffering yet he claims to be the owner of that something and that he can do whatever he wants with it or sell it at whatever price he wants... When a patenting system serves a creative individual with a good heart, then there isn't much of a problem a guess. The extreme opposite is when such a system serves companies and greedy people.

    Things should be invented to improve life and protect it and those who invent/create them should repsect human and animal rights and shouldn't find motivation in money or fame but in doing good and being a true honourable person.
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    Jun 8 2013: Smart business men, dumb inventors.

    Does everyone know that John Hopkins owns the patent on three day old broccoli sprouts? I had a friend who was really into sprouting and they had to pay fines for selling broccoli sprouts. You have to get a license to sell them in the market from John Hopkins University.

    http://sproutpeople.org/sprouts/political/broc.html
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      Jun 8 2013: That is a perfect example of what i had in mind when i wrote this. Thank you John and I'm glad the growers won. It's pretty sad that a patent that is just written to confuse even got approval. Especially on something that grows naturally with no one interfering.
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    Jun 7 2013: This is a really good story explaining the patent process and history. And the TED Talk from Kirby Ferguson.
    Talk: http://www.ted.com/talks/kirby_ferguson_embrace_the_remix.html
    Everything is a remix website: http://everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/
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    Jun 7 2013: Only in America! In fact in America you can patent things that were invented by other people in other countries as long as they haven't taken out a US patent. The US patent office the only patent office in the western world that doesn't recognise anyone elses patents.
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      Jun 7 2013: Makes sense that our patent system is like that with the overwhelming greed here. The world is crazy and the rules meet the standards.
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    Jun 6 2013: Where do you draw the line between companies patenting too much and the right to have private property?
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      Jun 6 2013: If you literally created it from a pile of "nothing" than you can own it. Otherwise no, i don't believe they should be able to.
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        Jun 6 2013: There are very few things that are created entirely new today, I can only think of the smallest building blocks like nano-engineering stuff. If you go up scale it's all additive and there fore builds on something previously invented.
        So should you be allowed to patent Bucky-balls or nano tubes? I don't think you should.
        Everything should be under Creative Commons, if you invented it you will get cred and people will prefer you over copying competition so you'll at least get a living out of it before someone refines it so that your product becomes obsolete.
        http://creativecommons.org/
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          Jun 6 2013: More broadly the whole subject of tort law desperately need refinement as it is abused by the rich which blunts justice for the not rich
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          Jun 7 2013: Thats zeitgeist if i ever heard it Jimmy! Glad I didn't have to bring it up.
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        Jun 6 2013: You want to find a better way of inflicting pain or fear? Should tax dollar be used for this?
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          Jun 7 2013: Yes, it is a legitimate function of goverment.

          I would say pattern civil law around small claims court so that it does not take 5 years to get to court and so that the loser has to pay court costs so there are fewer frivolous law suits and that it can be done without a jury and streamlined. The problem is that the only winners are the lawyers and the ones who can afford win as they can out wait the ones who cannot. It is another form of crony capitalism.
    • Jun 7 2013: Did you know Ben Franklin invented patents and copyrights? And those rights are in the constitution, but they are strictly limited, patents 17 years and copyright who knows now. They have been legislatively increased, although a constitutional amendment is the correct way to change them.
      It used to be very hard to get a patent. You had to prove the new invention was not obvious and that no one else was using it before. And you had to get there first, which Nicola Tesla found out the hard way when Edison got the patent on things Tesla made first.
      You could never patent taking two drugs, mixing them in a capsule and calling that a new invention, but now that's allowed. Certainly guts the obviousness rule.
      Our patent system has been ruined by congress and business manipulation so that big corporations get patents that are obvious, not new, not an advance in any way.
      Patents and copyrights were not intended to create property rights, they were created to get inventors to tell everyone in their patent how they made a new product in exchange for a very limited exclusive period to produce and sell the new product before anyone else got to make it for free. DuringAs exclusivity, you to pay licensing fees or buy from the producer. If you didn't make the product you would lose your patent.
      You had to disclose every aspect of the invention and how you made it or you could lose your exclusive right to make and sell it.
      Even our thinking that patent are private property has been altered, to make us think they are automatically granted and that there is a right to them.
      Patents are for the benefit of the general knowledge and advancement of our society, which was the only justification for protecting people from reverse engineering and copying. As a former patent law intern and copyright lawyer, I am really sorry about what's been done to our patent law.
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        Jun 7 2013: Thank you! You were the kind of person I was hoping to join this!
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        Jun 7 2013: Thank you Spring

        In the video that Krisztian linked above the speaker states that Jefferson said that Patent law is not natural law it is more of a privilege and even he was skeptical of it.

        So I'm understanding that patent law is specious from the get go? On top of that what you and the speaker say is that it has been hugely perverted? This is simliar to what I have seen in Tort law.

        From a practical point guys I know that make their living on inventing widgets say they don't even mess with patent law until they determine if they have something that will sell or not.
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      Jun 8 2013: Give a listen to the links I posted from "This American Life." The patent office seems to be the overall problem, giving out patents for very vague ideas.
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    Jun 5 2013: Why are companies/corporations allowed to patent anything?
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      Jun 6 2013: They want to legally own their creations so for something they made it makes sense. For something they found and changed a little, it does not.
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        Jun 6 2013: sure it makes sense that they want. excluding competition is sweet. it does not make it neither fair nor beneficial for society.
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        Jun 6 2013: I'm with Krisztián on this, patents do more harm then good and they are hindering human progress.
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          Jun 6 2013: This all comes down to where i want to see the world go.
          The Venus Project!
          http://thevenusproject.com/

          It's all the greatness and cooperation we have been talking about in one idea! And Krisztian I do agree with you as well but in the current society if I invented something I would want a patent because that invention and profits would allow me to better my life and the world because you need money to do things at this time. In the ideal society i would put the specs on the news for all to see saying "Hey guys do you want to build a generator that runs on sunlight and can power your house for a month from 1 full day of light, HERE IT IS! Enjoy! If you need helping building said device contact the help line at 555*555*5555." Sadly, we don't have that type of society yet. Too many people believe it's unattainable yet these same people believe the way we live now is sustainable and will last forever. It boggles my mind how people can believe such nonsense or even know that things must change but still do nothing. It's OK I believe the body is just a vessel for the soul and one day after being the best I can be, my body will die and I will return home.
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        Jun 6 2013: I'm all with you on the ideals and The Venus Project is a great project!
        However, I have only this life so I can't be excused with a thought that it's okay if I don't change things while I'm here...
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          Jun 6 2013: I still want to change things and will continue to try to. I just believe when my time is up, it's just another beginning.
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      Jun 6 2013: Haha, now Krisztián is going to make a joke about how many times hes seen that this week here on TED ;-P
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        Jun 6 2013: no, i'm just going to facepalm
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          Jun 6 2013: They should make Venus Project Badges, and Christian and socialist badges too so that everyone could easily recognize each other.
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        Jun 6 2013: in fact i should have suspected from the fawkes mask
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          Jun 6 2013: =) I heard about that about a year back and just been sharing it ever since. It's a better setup than what we have now.
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          Jun 6 2013: It sure is! Some are tired of hearing about it but I spread it just like you do ;-)
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          Jun 7 2013: Jah

          What is it that you like about the Venus Project?

          What is it about other economic ideas that you do not like? or don't want to consider?
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      Jun 5 2013: Medicine and inventions are one thing. I know i didn't say it but i mean patents on seeds and food mostly. They modify the seeds and sell that but if you modify their seeds they sue you, if you plant second generation seeds they sue you, if your crop gets pollinated by someone elses modified crop they sue you. if you know someone that knows someone that knows someone who planted their seeds they might sue you too. It's incredible what they can do. As for all their supreme court decisions I can only shake my head. One of the judges was a Monsanto employee for years yet he never steps down when they are being sued. Isn't that a conflict of interest or a unfair bias or something like that? This is all pretty beyond me though. I have an understanding for natural things but when it comes to man made laws and regulations and things like that I can't see the logic or even understand how things like this got agreed upon. They have a patent for breeding pigs saying they do it with less sperm... is that necessary or helpful? I think the pigs would get along fine without you doing the work for them. They have a lot of time to practice. Thanks though Lamar, You've given me perspective and information that i hadn't know about before. I appreciate it.
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          Jun 5 2013: Thank you first of all. I ,personally, feel that GMO food is harming us more than it is helping by being pest and drought resistant. It is being proven on a constant basis now that GMO foods cause cancer and other diseases that have dramatically risen in the last decade. GMO corn is proven by tests on lab rats to cause large aggressive tumors. Studies have also shown that the modified wheat is causing the spread of obesity ( i don't believe that is the single reason because people are lazy nowadays) they call it wheat belly. They changed the amount of glucose in the wheat and that was the effect of extended consumption. We are not smart enough to modify things that we eat. We have the ability but we lack the insight of seeing the flaws or merely just ignore them. We should stick to modifying materials for construction until our knowledge is sure in the field. Isn't that why we don't clone people or genetically modify humans? I don't know but that's a whoooole other topic. Thanks for the input Lamar!
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        Jun 7 2013: Can I request that if you are going to make claims regarding the adverse medical effects of GMO consumption you include a link to the study you are getting your data from.