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Is there more to life/universe than we even care to notice?

As we go about our daily lives, we are so focused on what needs to be done the daily logistics. Taken that into consideration, on your way to work there is an epic struggle of life and death, of battles and wars, dynamic landscapes all out in nature, while we live our fairly controlled lives.

Now what if there was more than even what's outside our bubble of atmosphere, even our theoretic bubble of multiverses. Is there even more, a greater beyond. The best way I can put this, and bare with me as I'm mostly a visual thinker without a keyboard of pictures. ( found it ( thanks youtube ))

An example of thought from the movie Men in Black ( a .38 second clip )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKnpPCQyUec

( In this clip, you are taken from earth, through our universe, through even that, into a multiverse of another greater universe where Extraterrestrials are playing what appears to be marbles with said universes. )

Somewhat as if there is a living fractal happening throughout every aspect of known and unknown space, where exactly would the fibonacci sequence take us in any direction we think of?

With all this being said, I ask you to think about gut feelings, and the very real phenomenon that beings seem to know information before it's time of unveiling ( ESP ), and for spiritual folks, do you think the afterlife is a realm of which is measurable?

I understand this may be too far fetched for some to want to bother with, to me this is how breakthroughs take place, to take your mind and place it somewhere else to break through too.

What do you think about this topic?
Do you have any preconceived notions about this concept?

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      Jun 4 2013: There are several of us on TED that have attested to that.
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      Jun 5 2013: ZX Style,
      Many of the stories have been posted several times. You touch on an important factor. To be able to see, hear, feel and recognize something outside our "self", we need to step outside our comfort zone in one way or another.

      If we repeat the same patterns over and over again, without realizing/recognizing the differences in each moment, it is difficult to notice anything outside the comfort zone. With the patterns that sometimes keep people stuck, it is difficult to notice/recognize anything different.

      To use an example that is common here on TED....the debate of religion/god OR science. Sometimes, the religious folks think they are "right", and science is "wrong".....and the argument goes the other way around as well.

      I love what Steve Jobs said in his speach at Stanford University......we need to "connect the dots". Religion exists, and science exists, and these are just a couple of beliefs/practices that will probably continue to exist.

      Michael asks..."Now what if there was more than even what's outside our bubble of atmosphere, even our theoretic bubble of multiverses. Is there even more, a greater beyond.?"

      I believe there is something more beyond the human life experience, I visited it with an NDE/OBE, and my experience was nothing like the "afterlife" that some people seem to believe in.

      The fact is, however, that we are HERE, NOW in human form, and for me, that is the important focus while I am here.

      The question of this topic is:
      "Is there more to life/universe than we even care to notice?"

      "Notice" is the operative word....do we want to "notice" everyting that is available to us in the moment, OR, do we want to focus on ancient texts, written by humans at a certain time in history? In my perception and experience, we can learn more about stepping out of our comfort zone by being truly in the moment, noticing, recognizing and being present in this human life adventure. Where focus goes, energy flows:>)
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        Jun 9 2013: I am not a acceptor of most religions, but a believer that they all are right and have origin, but maybe not as we literally read them as with some equal aspects being related to science. The chicken and the egg came 1st concept.

        To me, we are energy driving matter electrically. Now breaking that down more you can or building it up you can as well, this is the question isn't it? We are here and now for the sole purpose to actively experience the here and now or else we'd be in the there and then instead, right? So we are here for the purpose to experience the time span we are part of. Breaking things down to their redundancies can really be used as the basis for the question's best medium answer.
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          Jun 9 2013: I respect those who choose to use religion as a beneficial life guide, and I do not personally practice a religion either Michael.

          I wholeheartedly agree...we are here and now for the purpose of experiencing the here and now! I LOVE what you wrote..."or else we'd be in the there and then instead, right?" Makes me laugh.....thank you for that!

          Yes Michael.....I personally think that is "right"
          I keep asking the question....why do some folks live their entire life worrying about an assumed afterlife??? Doesn't make much sense to me:>)
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    Jun 5 2013: There is more than we even can notice.
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      Jun 9 2013: Best comment ever, not even when / if we try to comprehend all of this, will we find even more questions and answers leading to more questions.
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    Jun 6 2013: If everything is energy, then we would be the same energy and therefore we would be connected to everything. Therefore everything would be accessible simultaneously as it would be us. Therefore it doesn't matter whether 'we care' to notice. It would be occurring within us regardless of our attention.
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      Jun 7 2013: Outside of the care to notice that would be more robotic. You are pick up visual clues all around you whether you care to notice. But what would happen if people cared?
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        Jun 7 2013: Ah yes. Very true. The gist I got from this debate was whether 'we cared' what the universe was offering beyond our 'daily lives' and whether it affected us directly. My point was: whether we care or not, we are affected by the universe because, if everything is energy, we are therefore one with it. But how we choose to operate with that knowledge is the real crux here, isn't it? Thnx.
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          Jun 7 2013: That is very true. The problem I have is if we are to create balance. What would be the fulcrum?
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    Jun 22 2013: Assuming there is, we'll never find out if we don't even care. Assuming there isn't yet we would care, how unfortunate that would be? Most important - or maybe least - is not to loose - to stay in the picture - all of our marbles ... ;o)
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    Jun 16 2013: We're not alone. Extraterrestrials are actually Extradimensionals, or, if you prefer, interdimensional travelers. They aren't travelling great distances to be here, they're simply moving from one dimension to another.

    During their frequent visits, they have revealed their presence to many in our world, those who have developed, or those who have been born with, the requisite faculty to perceive them.

    Oh, I know, this stuff is hard to believe. And you're right.
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      Jun 16 2013: What the!??

      What do you have to support these claims?
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        Jun 16 2013: "What do you have to support these claims?"

        Not "what," who. I have the Extradimensionals, themselves, but they aren't talking. And, too, I have those who are called abductees, but they rarely talk.

        Whitley Strieber has written about ETs in his book, "Communion," with follow-up books, and then there's the "Andreasson Affair," four books detailing Betty Andreasson's encounter with extraterrestrials.

        And there's possibly your neighbor, who may be among the many thousands who have been scooped up--sometimes a dozen or more at a time--and given irrefutable personal information of the existence of ETs, which they may have shared, if they're courageous enough, with others--friends, family, neighbors, and perhaps some on the Internet.

        ETs don't leave artifacts behind. They leave information behind, and not the kind that might be used to cure disease, but the kind which can later be verified--information that no one knew at the time, but them.

        You're right to be skeptical. I can't support these claims without those individuals who were abducted coming forth, and declaring what they did with the information they received and whether they divulged it to others.

        I suspect that the effort of these ETs is to prepare humankind for an eventual revealing of their presence, using these abductions as a prelude to an "operation show man" event.
  • Jun 14 2013: I like to consider questions like this very rationally, by considering what we know, what we do not know, and what we probably will never know.

    We know what we know now, and we know that we know a lot more now than we knew years, decades, and centuries ago. At one point we knew only what could be perceived directly by our senses. Then we developed technology and learned about small things and big things and things that are invisible, like radio waves. It seems to me that people who believe that we can develop a complete understanding of this universe through our senses and technology are suffering from that old malady, human hubris. Apply critical thinking to our senses. Our senses were developed through evolution, shaped by survival. Any aspect of this universe that does not directly affect survival would almost certainly remain imperceptible. Two known examples are most of the spectrum of sound and electromagnetic radiation. There could be many other forms of energy happening around us, constantly, that we are incapable of perceiving, because they have no affect on our survival. Black matter might be radiating some form of energy which is irrelevant to our survival. If we could perceive that radiation, it would just be a distraction.

    So, we can conclude that, as a direct result of evolution, it is possible that we do not know a great deal about this universe.

    "Is there more to life/universe than we even care to notice?" This phrasing is interesting because until recently in history humans cared primarily about survival (many still do, but most of us are now confident of surviving into old age). Now many of us have the luxury of caring to notice aspects of existence that have nothing to do with surviving. Is there a greater beyond? In my opinion, there probably is, but if we refrain from speculation and insist on intellectual discipline and honesty, we must admit that probably we will never know for sure.
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    Jun 10 2013: When six years of age, I had a deep-rooted inclination to know God! I somehow felt from inside that if I come to know God... I would be able to unravel all mysteries of entire cosmos! In my search for God I slowly realized that I was a soul atman, the spirit within and not the manifest physical human form! As a spirit, as a consciousness I had manifested human form to work out my karma... remove dross impurities within!

    As my spiritual journey continued... I visualized God in different forms! With no preceptor to guide, I continued my spiritual journey all alone. Remaining truthful all the time, I could hear the sweet small inner voice of my soul atman that seemed to come from within my heart. Prompted by voice of my soul atman... I continued my search of God without fear, as if God Almighty himself was guiding me all the time.

    25 years of yoga meditation... I finally realized self, realized god in the wee hours of third of August 1993 at 37 years of age. This is my last manifestation on other earth, 8.4 millionth manifestation. As a soul atman, the spirit within I started my cosmic journey as form of amoeba (single cell formation)... the first manifestation in cosmic life cycle.

    I further evolved into multi-cell formation, then insect life, plant life, animal life and finally form of human beings! In its lifespan totaling 8.4 million manifestations on the whole... every soul atman manifested initial 7.3 million manifestations in insect, plant and animal life. In the remaining 1.1 million manifestations in human form... one was expected to reach stage of enlightenment (kaivalya jnana in Hinduism).

    The sacred Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism... sermon given to mankind by Lord Krishna above 3600 years before now was the guiding light for all travelers of spiritual path. It is following teachings contained in Bhagavad Gita... I finally realized reincarnation, rebirth, afterlife was part of cosmic system! More on Bhagavad Gita here- http://www.bhagavadgitasummary.com
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    Jun 7 2013: What is your concept of infinity/eternity? Within infinity everything is and would be arbitrary. What's up? what's down? It's infinity it would not matter. As far as feeling who's feeling would you like to use when it comes to measuring time?
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      Jun 9 2013: Infinity to me is the time yet used to implicate some sort of personal flavor / influence into this otherwise massive soup of variables that in many cases needs the be observed to be interactive. There for we create that of what we see and influence in a realm of that we haven't any clue of where it is, if not anywhere else but inside our minds.

      My question / debate wasn't to control feelings, opinion or ideals, but to see how these feelings, opinions and ideals mesh with others about this board, and in general. The meshing of ideas births the creation of new aspects to then think about more deeply. Possibly even creating innovation throughout known science, through the simple act of implying thought outside a personal box of opinion.
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        Jun 10 2013: Infinity is all around you, it is any whole (see QP). It exist between any 2 number (see fractals). And happens between every second (see planck time).

        What is the smallest unit of time you can conceive? A second? A millisecond? Hard to say seeing as how time is relative. Under the right circumstances, hours can fly by and seconds can feel like a lifetime. But unfortunately for physicists, time is not something that can be delt with so philosophically. And since they deal with cosmological forces both infinitesimally large and small, they need units that can objectively measure them. When it comes to dealing with the small, Planck Time is the measurement of choice. Named after German physicist Max Planck, the founder of quantum theory, a unit of Planck time is the time it takes for light to travel, in a vacuum, a single unit of Planck length. Taken together, they part of the larger system of natural units known as Planck units.

        http://www.universetoday.com/79418/planck-time/

        More: http://cosmologistic.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-is-planck-time.html

        There is nothing in this material world that is not infinity whether that be "physical objects" or things of mind. However please show me something that would be outside of mind?
  • Jun 6 2013: Hi Michael,
    when I read your question, I can't help but re-word it in my brain: "Is there more to life/universe than we even ARE ABLE to notice?"
    A part of me would love to notice more, have access to hidden passageways that lead to a higher plane of existence, a more symbiotic relationship with the people and the world around me. I feel instinctively connected, but also instinctively removed, almost as though some sort of protection mechanism is engaged when I really start to ponder the meaning of it all after some serious star-gazing, for example.

    This raises the question in my mind, about people who posses the ability to utilize their brain capacity differently than others, giving them almost 'superhuman' powers, like ESP, or Pat's reference to the state of Bodhi. What is their perception of the world, and how can they cope with it?
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      Jun 9 2013: I agree with this comment a good bit, and it has also been something I thought about as well. I've come to a corner I can't get out of with this as well though. That simply if we cannot obtain something we wish to obtain, then simply it's not meant for us to obtain this time around.

      It really seems we are only here in our current states of life, to act out a learning problem of life, personal to us all. Each problem solved, the next rung of life you move to and start solving another.

      Each possibly even utilizing such that you listed, even more than we'd ever come to imagine. Even star gazing had me thinking wildly since I knew I was seeing stars but that some weren't even there anymore!

      That blows my mind still, and Is something that should inspire everyone.
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      Jun 16 2013: "What is their perception of the world, and how can they cope with it?"

      I don't possess the "state of Bodhi," as I don't follow Buddhist teachings, but I'm no less enlightened, and I'm not alone.

      Coping? It's both difficult and easy. Easy in that we have the power to manifest many of our desires, and difficult because such power brings great responsibility. Easy in that we understand how things fit together, a phrase I've used before, and difficult because we can't give our understanding away. Easy because we can usually harmonize our personal world, and difficult as we attempt to harmonize it for others.

      Easy because we're privy to many of the catastrophic events the world will face before they occur, and difficult because we're privy to many of the catastrophic events the world will face before they occur. Sometimes we have prevented them. At times, we have softened their blow.

      Perception? We don't have a "perception" of this world only, but of several worlds, where we exist in them all, with an occasional bleed through in the form of memories of a variety of events that have taken place in some of these parallel existences.

      Perception: Our world is continually in flux, as it moves in rhythm to the rhythm of our thoughts. We see a mental world where others see physicality.

      "A part of me would love to notice more, have access to hidden passageways that lead to a higher plane of existence, a more symbiotic relationship with the people and the world around me."

      Unwittingly you've stumbled upon the answer to your yearning. The answer has become so mundane, so clich├ęd that it's usually ignored.

      You said: "A part of me would love to notice more." I say: Love until all you notice is love. Love until you become love itself. Dwell in love. Let it become your Home, where you live night and day, hour by hour and minute by minute.

      If you can do that, then you can have your heart's desire. "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

      Treasure love.
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    Jun 5 2013: Hi Michael .
    There is an intro for the Simpsons where they scan out from Homer's head, out through multiverses until reality dawns; you guessed it, we are now on a truly massive Homer's head.
    Then there is the one where he is late home because he has evolved from primordial slime, & passed through all the stages until the completed Homer arrives home.
    This guy is one of the best things to come out of the USA.
    Oh, I nearly forgot, the topic.
    I believe we are like fish in a bowl. We have absolutely no idea what is going on out there & if we did, it would fry our brains.

    :-)
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      Jun 7 2013: WIthin infinity and out there in here worlds there would have to be someone who doesn't get his brain fried. In theory that would be possible right?
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        Jun 9 2013: I'm not too sure of that one, heh, around every problem or issue there lies a warming deep fryer. :)
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          Jun 11 2013: And its the warmth we are attracted to. For cold is the absence of heat
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    Jun 5 2013: Well it's a highly philosophical question I would think.

    There may be really big aliens playing with our universe as if it was a marble, or we may exist in a universe that in reality belongs to an eye of a thousand-eyed pet fish.
    There's also the possibility of us being nothing more then computer programs or brains hooked to computers running simulations. You may not exist or if you do how do you know?

    I have the opinion that unless there is (or a possibility of obtaining) evidence supporting a thesis there is no reason to believe it. What your talking about transcends the realm of science and is purely that of fantasy. There is no way for it to be tested because there's no way for us to see "outside of the universe", if indeed there were such a thing.

    You speculate of marbles (I was intrigued by that thought too many years ago) and I gave you an equally valid explanation of a fish's eye. So you see you (or anyone) could speculate up any scenario, another being that outside the universe there's a universe of cotton candy surrounding us. These speculations will never be more then that unless there is a way for them to be tested. And gut-feelings are a really, really bad way to go about doing basically anything, especially science.

    Further more, since you promote ESP to figure this out I must ask you if you've looked at the critique on ESP, as I view it no tests have been made under reasonable experimental conditions and the ones that claim to have proof have never been replicated.


    "Isn't this enough?

    Just this world?

    Just this beautiful, complex
    Wonderfully unfathomable, NATURAL world?
    How does it so fail to hold our attention
    That we have to diminish it with the invention
    Of cheap, man-made Myths and Monsters?" - Tim Minchin, Storm
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      Jun 7 2013: But we live in a world where everything is possible. Bases of QP. As you said that would be fantasy. So we can create that fantasy in this world. And yet our world is fantasy. Have you ever seen a tree? The we need to talk about what is it that we are actually seeing and looking at? Or just its reflection? Have you ever really seen anything? Or is it just light? Thats all our eyes can see is light. Our eyes can't really see a tree just its light wave length. Can light die? http://www.fi.edu/color/
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      Jun 9 2013: This world would be completely enough, if the inhabitants worked together and used a common form of common sense, and lastly had Compassion and equality towards all living beings, This world would be enough.

      Until equality reigns supreme, this beautiful complex world will never be enough. This world isn't the issue, it's the billions of life forms on it that pose the threat of true natural freedom.

      ESP to me seems to point to a aspect within us ALL that shows us that we are not as time linear as we have believed ourselves to be. Our Gut Feeling is real to you and me, so why couldn't an increased version of that be as well if the gut feeling was practiced upon? Something I've noticed about ESP claims, is the claims for the most part aren't specific, just like randomly catches snowflakes on your tongue, each one will be different, but the act will always remain the same.

      Basically boils down to, sometimes, you can just " feel " there is more going on, specially when you can see the implied footprints leading to a wall...
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        Jun 9 2013: Good comment Michael....I agree:>)

        I perceive ESP, gut feelings, etc., to be a very natural part of us, which is part of, or connected very closely to intuition and instinct. I believe these to be natural qualities that can be nurtured, consciously practiced and improved.
  • Jun 5 2013: Always but it is more complicated and there are rules. I did get lost on U-Tube because there are so many interesting things.
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    Jun 4 2013: Yes, I think it is true.

    In a nut shell I think what you see is an illusion and if you took away that illusion there would be nothing left. Nothing that can be measured in this universe but still exists and is the cause of the poof talked about on the other thread.
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      Jun 7 2013: I have a problem with this nothing idea and I believe we have talk about it before on here ( in my is our math wrong) Truth is all there is light. Have you ever seen a tree? Then we need to talk about what is it that we are actually seeing and looking at? Or just its reflection? Have you ever really seen anything? Or is it just light? Thats all our eyes can see is light. Our eyes can't really see a tree just its light wave length. Can light die? http://www.fi.edu/color/


      http://www.ted.com/conversations/13925/is_our_math_wrong_is_it_our_a.html
      The idea that nothing/no thing can be observed is preposterous to me, for the simple act of observation would be something
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        Jun 7 2013: I'm saying the whole universe is created and that there is something beyond this universe.
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          Jun 7 2013: I don't see why that would be wrong.

          Could you see evolution as free will?