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The Existence of God

Is there really a God? Or did everything just poof?


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  • Jun 15 2013: Science is a way of knowing about the natural world. It is LIMITED to explaining the natural world through natural causes. Science can say nothing about the supernatural. Whether God exists or not is a question about which science must be neutral. You cannot "prove" God's existence by natural testable, verifiable and falsifiable established methods of natural science because, God, by very definition is someone who is supernatural!

    One can hypothesise about God's existence: If God does in fact exist the proof will lie in the consistency of what is hypothesized with human experience and observation. The consistency? The millions and millions of testimonies of men and women from all walks of life demonstrate the unity of Christian experience. While each one embraces a different background, profession or culture, each points to the SAME OBJECT as the source of new power for transformed lives - Jesus Christ. Multiply these testimonies by the hundreds and thousands and you begin to approach something like the impact Christ has had on the world in the past 2000 years.

    So... what is the objective reality or basis for the subjective experiences - a changed, utterly transformed life? Answer: the person of Christ and his resurrection.

    How many others have had this same subjective experience? Well... the evidence is overwhelming. Truly MILLIONS from all backgrounds, nationalities, professions, cultures have seen their own lives elevated to new levels of peace and joy by turning their lives over to Christ.

    To say that it is a delusion, then.. Wow!!! what a powerful delusion!
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      Jun 15 2013: Yes a very powerful delusion most likely. Just like all the other religions worshiping in excess of something like 3000 different gods and goddesses that we know of, with their own similar religious type experiences. There are people who use these same type of subjective experiences to reinforce other religious or spiritual type beliefs.

      As to unity, I know of 3 different popes, Coptic, Orthodox and Roman, and how many different denominations with different interpretations. Some take the bible literally others don't. And then all the other variants - JW, LDS, Swedenborgians etc. But I acknowledge it is popular these days.

      Popularity does not make it true.

      Go back 2000 years and the Yahweh religion was not that popular anyway.

      I'm not sure why I am stating the obvious.

      I guess Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc also have millions of followers as equally convinced as you.
    • Jun 15 2013: Sorry if I'm misunderstanding something, but from my perspective you seem to contradict yourself.

      First you say science cannot proof God's existence, which is absolutely true and of course I do fully agree. The definitions of God and science are mutually exclusionary, therefore it is impossible to proof God's existence or non existence by scientific methods. Until this point I have no problem, however then you start an argument in which you seem to try to convince your opponents you point of view is "scientifically valid", which of course sounds contradictory. I must say that I do respect your believes and your point of view and of course I would never dare to question whatever proof you have of God's existence, unless you claim (or imply) it is a scientific proof.

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