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The Existence of God

Is there really a God? Or did everything just poof?

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  • Jun 10 2013: Why would god have us argue this issue? If you exist, for gods sake, show yourself so we can be finally rid of this problem.
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      Jun 10 2013: Makes sense to me Craig!
      There is a life to live here and now. Why would a god(s) put us all here on earth to continually debate god/no god.......funny!!!

      P.S,
      It just occured to me.....perhaps the gods are out there somewhere having the same discussion about humans??? LOL:>)
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      Jun 10 2013: God Almighty was not the form of human beings. It was magnanimous primordial cosmic energy, size of half a thumb... collective power of all souls’ atmans in cosmos in their pure form! As per scriptures of Hinduism God Almighty always acted as a Dhrishta (onlooker)... never interfering with creation of his! Everything in cosmic system was governed by inscrutable laws of karma and evolution. As our karma... accordingly shaped our destiny!

      Anything relating to God Almighty can only be understood by undertaking spiritual journey. If God could be known that easily... why would God Almighty ordain a long journey of 1.1 million manifestations in human form to reach God?

      Mahavira (24th Tirthankara of Jainism... preceptor), Gautama Buddha, Jesus Christ and prophet Mohammed... all practiced spirituality of the highest order to reach God in their lifetime. There was no shortcut on path of pure spirituality yet; by practicing absolute celibacy for a minimum period of 12 years in continuation... one can awaken kundalini energy fully. Full kundalini awakening results in opening of Sahasra Pushpa (thousand petalled Lotus) existing in our brain behind forehead. One immediately reaches stage of an enlightened one... becomes a bodhi, a Jina... a Mahavira forever!

      Normal human beings used their brain one percent, 99% always lying dormant! Albert Einstein, the famous physicist used his brain 4%. Albert Einstein indulged in Bhagavad Gita in the later stages of his life... a fact, he all the time regretted! He just wished he could have indulged in Bhagavad Gita in the early stages of life.

      Enlightened beings used their brain hundred percent. To reach stage of enlightenment Jesus Christ stowed on a boat to India to learn intricacies of spiritual life. The missing years in the life of Jesus Christ (14 to 29 years of age) says it all. During these years Jesus Christ indulged in teachings of Vedas (Hinduism revelations), Upanishads (independent treatises) and Bhagavad Gita.
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        Jun 10 2013: I respect YOUR belief as YOUR belief. It is not everyone's belief Vijay:>)

        I agree that humans sometimes do not use their/our brains as much as we could. That is why I like to think and feel for myself.

        That is an interesting theory I never heard before....."Jesus Christ stowed on a boat to India" to learn Hinduism.....the plot thickens!


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        Chad, I cannot get a reply anywhere near your comment in any other way!

        I actually did read something about the missing years of JC years ago, and was not curious enough to pursue it. I know there was/is speculation, and I don't think I ever heard the theory about going to India to study.
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          Jun 15 2013: Colleen the theory of the "missing years" of Christs' life wherein he was on sabbatical in India has been around since at least the Theosophical society of the 1890s. I have always liked Mark Twains' observation that apparently "Man has created God in his own image". We all live within the boundaries of our experience and to expand our comprehension beyond that takes more than a leap of faith. In the end each of us are like the three blind men describing the elephant in the Sufi story in terms of what they could touch, A tree (leg) a Python (trunk) and a rope (tail).
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        Jun 11 2013: Jesus states that the only way to reach the Father is through Him, paraphrased John 14:6. Just to know and state that Jesus was a prophet is a horrible phars. He stated that he WAS and IS the Son of God. You may have reached enlightenment, and the tree metaphor is revealing, but what the bible says is just what i said, and the historical documents contained within, e.g. the different books of the whole bible, all prophesy of His coming was fulfilled by He that came in the form of Jesus Christ.
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          Jun 12 2013: Here we have the crux of religions.

          One interpretation without sufficient evidence that could be entirely man made making claims that contradict the claims of another equally without evidence to support it s core claims.

          As if the writers of the new testament couldn't make the Jesus story fit the prophecies.

          Both these and many others are equally plausible and implausible in many respects. And from an outsiders perspective they seem equally primitive.

          This reflects why we have had so many different contradictory religious beliefs. They are based on the subjective so called revelations and speculations and involve illusive beings or untestable claims.

          They tend to ignore or dispute claims that conflict with science.
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      Jun 11 2013: even if He did show Himself, you would still not believe it is Him.
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        Jun 11 2013: Johathan,
        With all due respect for you and YOUR belief, you do not know what another person may or may not believe.
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          Jun 11 2013: there is ample evidence of His existence in the Bible, a historical document, and people still didn't believe back then, or now when the Bible is so readily available for anyone to read for themselves. And yes, i do know, Jesus Himself said that they wouldn't.
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        Jun 12 2013: Jonathan,
        With all due respect, I accept YOUR beliefs as YOUR beliefs. The bible was written by humans, and I agree that it is an historical document.
        • Jun 12 2013: An historical document in the improper sense of the word. :)
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          Jun 12 2013: Thank you Colleen, but its not that my beliefs are my beliefs. I have read the bible, I have experienced the truth. I have even watched as science and archaeology have proven the historical accounts of the bible, old testament and new. The bible was written by humans, yes, but divinely inspired by The Holy Spirit.
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        Jun 12 2013: I have also read the bible Jonathan, (12 years of catholic school and bible study),and my truth is different from your truth.....you see? The bible tells a story, it is not proof of a god. If you want to believe it is....so be it. That is your choice and I respect your choice....I do not agree.


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        Again Chad, I cannot get a reply anywhere near your comment.

        I think most people who believe in a certain god, or particular religious tradition, generally use their holy book for proof, which it no doubt is to them.

        I agree with you that we must each follow our own path, and each of us may focus on different things along that journey. A big part of my journey is acceptance, so, I totally accept other people's preferences as long as the belief and practice does not adversly impact other people.
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          Jun 15 2013: Colleen I recently encountered another true believer who felt that the Bible was self evident proof, perfect and with only one possible interpretation. I asked her if that was so why are there more than 38,000 Christian sects? Why were there several even before the death of the last of Christs' disciples? To me it is apparent that free will requires that Deity does not force faith on anyone. We must each follow our own path on our spiritual journey. The debate about correct translations usually focuses on Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek but this is secondary to me. The first stage is from Deity to human and since there is free will, we can not be forced to comprehend as seems apparent in the book of Revelation. If Prophets were perfect puppets then "the true religion" would have been established and a church militant would have conquered the world long ago.
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        Jun 12 2013: If a smart god wanted to prove its existence it could figure out a way.

        If there was sufficient evidence I would believe in whatever.

        The books in the bible were written and collated sometime back in history. They include references to historical people and places, even letters. However, this does not mean it is historically accurate or that all there is sufficient evidence to believe all the claims.

        There is not that much evidence that a person called Jesus existed, but perhaps enough for the mundane claim that a Jewish guru existed an apocalyptic Jewish offshoot cult developed from this.

        No compelling evidence or resurrections, talking donkeys, the sun stopping in the sky, the parting of the red sea or whether Moses or Abraham or Adam ever existed as described any more than Gilgamesh.

        Just like a man now called Buddha probably existed but there is no proof of reincarnation or that his mother was impregnated by a ray of light and he was born out a sit in her side. I have heard similar stories about miracles surrounding the birth of Kim ll Sung.

        (what is it with religions and magical births)
      • Jun 12 2013: If god appeared before me, l would need comformation from someone else who had seen the same thing. Otherwise, i could consider one of the following possibilities-
        1. God appeared before
        2. I'm hallucinating (drug induced)
        3. I'm insane

        If i where not under the influence of drugs i could rule out number 2.
        Of the two options left, would consider that i was insane, based on the fact that i know insanity exists.
        A good analogy would be if i saw a unicorn, i would assume it to be a horse with a horn, because horses exist.
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      Jun 12 2013: OK Entropy.....what do you call it? How about historical novel? I do believe it depicts some historical events of the time. I just don't think it can be used as proof of a god.

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