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The source of morality

Many times religious people claim that atheist people are immoral, because they have no reason to be good. Claim is false, ungrounded and impudent but it has a point. Atheist people have no base for their morality. When there is no divine ruler; nothing is sacred, everything is permitted. But it is not! Why? Because not! I dumped old beliefs that prohibits samegender sex, or intercourse before wedding or eating pig meat etc. Still my morales very similar with what religion gave us, and when they can say "God forbid it" I can't say anything. I need those explanations. I need proofs that shows incest, bestiality, necrophilia is obnoxious and bad. I need proofs that shows wars ar ugly and bad.

Otherwise someone will just say, the siblings loved each other what is wrong with that? War is best way to develop technology is totally legit and necessary. Torchere is necessary, it can not be removed. No it is mean and ugly! Would you like to be torchered? Why am I a criminal?

I tried to build my own reason. I changed "the good" and "the bad" to "the flawed" and "unflawed" act. Now I can give reasons by revealing flaws of the act I do not approve. It made sense to me. But it is very subjective.

So what do you think about it. If you're not religious, what is your morales based on? Or what community should base their morale on it?


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  • May 26 2013: Tibet Altar Yılmaz
    Thank you for a most interesting topic.

    If everyone could see as well as you do the
    problems of the world would be easier to deal with.

    But, people cannot see as well. And, they actually enjoy it.
    Trapped by 'their inability to foresee', they sink into being
    followers of those Improviser's who promise erroneous facts.
    Followers of Lies.

    There are no real answers. We can only guess.

    I look at the world as being a giant 'Ant Hill'.
    Billions of Ants. Killing and Maiming each other.
    Adults and Wee Babies all.

    Hopefully we never will develop space travel.
    Perhaps Global Warming will toast us all gone.
    Maybe sooner than we want to think.
    A move to Canada seems a great idea about now.
    • May 28 2013: Dear Mr. Barry,
      I like your predictions and your reference to liars
      "There are no real answers. We can only guess."
      There are answers and there are excellent studies!
      And there is something with "evidence."
      And who are these "Followers of Lies" ?
      Where do you find the blind people[I suppose you are not one of them]
      • May 28 2013: Eberhard, thank you.
        This will be overload, sorry.

        To answer your query -- Where do you find the blind people?
        Actually the 'blind people' have been created by a simple procedure.

        Political parties 'Pay for their Advertising'.
        The benefit: Control of media opinion, and control of voter opinions.

        Like a cartoon in real life.
        Using columnist's and video personalities who have celebrity status,
        the media fights and squabbles amongst themselves. Entertainment
        for their fans. To support their opinions with proofs or evidences,
        they refer to public intellectual's taken from a list of volunteers.
        The coffers of both political parties are filled by party politicians,
        running for election, after elected, and when supporting platforms
        and other politicians for election.

        To fill political coffers, political parties 'target' wealthy attendees
        to their functions, including those who lobby for gain from regulation,
        also the unsavory, and foreign manipulators.
        (A night in Lincoln's bed comes to mind).

        Highly paid political fund raisers work steadily from 'election day
        to election day', telemarketing, mail soliciting, filling the party coffers.
        They never stop, they never sleep.

        The moral? Just politics?
        Perhaps, or maybe a well oiled machine, 24/7/365.

        And who are these "Followers of Lies" ?
        Need I answer?

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