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Evolution: "just a theory". Scientific caution is sometimes confusing.

The fact that our best available theories are still speculations misleads some people to believe that these ideas are not founded. Hence, some people suppose their uneducated opinion is just as bad, or as good, as the mainstream scientific hypothesis.
This trend is probably led by the way science has been taught, i e as a flawless method that offers facts about reality.
And by pre-scientific philosophy, still strong in our modern societies.

Evolution is "just a theory" the way Notre Dame is "just a pile of rocks", isn't it?

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    Jun 5 2013: OK, I have flaws,weakness and limitations, too many to count and.... I lean to intelligent design, a little. I D is a tough one. At best, all we can guess is that about 14B years ago, there was a massive release of energy... and the results of that big bang is our entire universe with everything in it that we know and so much more we don't know. One of the most unique things that came from the explosion is a biomass that is self replicating and evolved on this planet a diversity of life that boggles the mind. There seems to be two schools of theory on how all this happened.
    1. It was freakin' dumb luck that all this came together so we could all be talking about it 14B years later.

    2. Someone smarter then me put all the plans, designs, code, whatever into a bomb and pulled the pin some 14B years ago and all this is the way it was supposed to be... and I don't think that he cares if humans figure it out or not.

    So, did we win the lottery and I can't even imagine those odds.Or, is all this part of some scheme?
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      Jun 5 2013: What if we were that one in a trillion, trillion, trillion chance. We don't have any way of knowing how much time has passed or how many "attempts" were failed before we came into existence. Just a thought.
    • Jun 5 2013: Hi Mike, Im going to try to refine your comment a little bit and hopefully give you a better understand of the big bang theory. About 14B years ago, There was a rapid expansion of energy.. No explosion... I dont know the specifics of why this expansion began but I understand what happened after. The energy began to cool and form simple matter... protons/hydrogen atoms. Basically the big bang didnt create self replicating molecules or anything near biomass. In fact it didnt create anything other than Hydrogen. After a long period of time, The gravity of the hydrogen molecules caused stars to form. Through pair-production and gravity, helium was also created.

      As the Stars died, they exploded (supernovas) and the force of the explosions created bigger atoms (carbon/oxygen/iron/gold etc..) After a Long time gravity created our planet. Billions of years later we began to see the first self replicating molecules and biomass form on Earth. We don't know entirely how yet or where it came from but we have a few theories. We most likely will never know for sure because we weren't there and there is little evidence.

      Hopefully you understand the theory a little better now and acknowledge it as reasonable coming from your perspective as a believer of Intelligent Design.

      And one more thing, its not like winning the lottery. Considering there are billions of galaxies each with billions of stars and planets, it is very likely that there is other life in space. We just haven't found any yet.

      Cheers!
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      Jun 5 2013: I don't believe in dumb luck, nor do I believe in a creator. If there was a creator, why would he make us in the worst part of the world near a mid-aged star and create sin in the first place?

      The actual theories of how we got here are all theories on how DNA came into place. There is no theory of God, He is just a belief. Some believe that lightning strikes created a freak molecule that over time had to adapt to survive.

      Your idea of biomass is completely wrong. It's more likely that there happened to form just one molecule that kept self replicating, and over billions of years kept adapting to where it could survive and given around 4 billion years, here we are now.

      Very recently however, the foundation of RNA which can turn into DNA and back into RNA again was found to be very different in absence of oxygen, a key point to how life came about. http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-rna-life-20130519,0,7718358.story

      Just because there are gaps in science does not mean its right to fill them with God. When people saw the sun, they made a sun god, when they saw rain they made a rain god, and then they were clever enough to make a god for everything and origin knowing that we could never prove everything nor origin. But that has yet to be discovered.
      • Jun 5 2013: Very well put Brendan!
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        Jun 5 2013: Well put Brandon,
        I can address a couple of your points. Maybe people were put on this backwater planet because we didn't turn out like He wanted and he just couldn't put us to sleep. The kindly God theory.

        The asexual molecule that just wouldn't quit playing with himself... That's even farther out then God.
        Yes, there are gaps in science. What I am saying is that if there is/was an Intelligent Designer, a lot of the gaps fill in.
        And one word of warning... stay away from reading about DNA and genes and all that biology stuff. I found out we are all 5/6 earthworms genetically speaking, Not a pleasant thought.
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          Jun 6 2013: haha i agree that dna is some creepy stuff. dolphins have more convolutions in their brains than us and yet aren't developed into civilization yet. whether its lack of thumbs, hands even, or progression, dolphins just aren't capable of humanized things. i guess that humans just chose the smarter route.
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        Jun 12 2013: I believe in Dumb Luck! First, it is DUMB! There isn't much that is intelligent about it. Second, it's Luck. That means this: One day you wake up and are favored by random chance! Ta Da!

        I doubt that prayer will do anything to help me choose BETTER lottery numbers . . . but if I do win the Lottery, I'll make much bigger donations to my church (Just in case . . . ).

        "When you add everything in the universe up, you get 0" -Michio Kaku Great quote! I've heard that Michio Kaku is an anomaly as far as Cosmologists are concerned. He is a "believer" in God. Except I just checked it out on-line and he is NOT. He is accused of defending (or deflecting) these questions by quoting Einstein. Cosmologists have no choice but to be very careful. Nobody wants to be the Physicist who gets quoted by Christian Evangelicals in their Sunday AM sermons.

        Also, where did you get the plastic Jesus photo that you use to identify yourself? I'd like to know the history of where THAT THING is! Is that from one of the Jesus Theme Parks in Florida?
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      Jun 5 2013: 2 its just dumb luck that a universe creating being came to be and made a universe intending for us to evolve ?

      Is it more mind boggling that biological life arose without agency, or that a being capable of creating universes arose without agency?
    • Jun 6 2013: Any apparent unlikeliness, on the one hand, cannot be substantiated in the absence of evidence for extraterrestrial life's existence or non-existence. Without that knowledge, we've no baseline from which to think about our unlikeliness.

      And on the other hand, it's not a crippling point if true. No matter how unlikely it is, it obviously happened. After all, we're here to talk about it. It may well be that life is so unlikely that the only way it can happen is if while floating aimlessly around a lifeless world the chemical and mineral components just happen to fall into the shape of a simple organism capable of reproduction. It might be so unlikely that it will only happen once in a trillion universes, or more than that. But, so long as the chance of it happening is greater than zero, it will happen given enough time, and given that there's a universe for it to happen in.

      And, as has been abundantly pointed out here and elsewhere - an intelligent designer is no less unlikely. I'm not sure whether it is MORE unlikely - scenarios have been thought up that make a good case for some kind of I D - simulated universe for example, or the idea that this is a dream we may wake from at any moment. The proof, however, is scarce either way.
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        Jun 12 2013: Nice thought. But no cigar! Cigars are bad for you anyway! So check out this link:
        http://www.maniacworld.com/universe-wants-to-kill-us.html

        It is pretty disturbing stuff. So don't watch without smelling saltz or an ammonia ampule to revive yourself.

        But, to tell the truth, I'm open for anything that will ever permit people to just get along. If 'Intelligent Design' can become an idea that makes Terrorists & Al Qaeda & all the rest stop killing us? Yeah! Any idea that gets us there is a very Good Idea in my view. But Intelligent Design is NOT that idea (yet). So lets' keep thinking and keep looking for that one good idea that will do it. Let's motivate people to be good to each other! There is too much "out there" that will kill us. We just don't need to be so heavily invested in killing or hurting each other in the meantime.
        • Jun 12 2013: Compared to all the potential manifestations of the universe that are even more hostile, we've got it pretty good. It could be better, but the fact that it's this good is incredibly unlikely. Yes there are many things that can kill us, but in the absence of the specific conditions our universe has, we may not be here to die in the first place.

          Neil knows this, he's not attacking the fine-tuned universe concept, just the concept that the universe is so perfect that it must be the result of intelligent design.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe
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        Jun 12 2013: Well, if all universes are possible . . . I just want to live in the Universe where I am the one who gets to win the lottery and go fishing for the rest of my life!
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      Jun 12 2013: Yeah - like Mom & Dad hooked up just by Dumb Luck! Except for one thing . . . Dumb Luck (or Bum Luck) is just how it goes sometimes. I mean, how correct is it that some guy (any guy) wins the 514 MILLION dollar lottery and is set for life. All because he spent a buck on one ticket?

      Are the WINNING numbers magic? Is there something magical about his numbers? Let's see, Mom's birth date. Dad's age. Last night's basketball score; add the numbers and average to get one number (since the right team won!). The year I graduated from high school. The last two digits of my licence plate number. Some number that has to do with Tom Cruz. Another number that has to do with Taylor Swift. Why? You ask? Why NOT? I answer. "I mean, like, they are the two coooooolest people ever!"

      That's seven numbers. Is that enough for a lottery ticket? "I mean, MAAAAN . . . can't lose!" And then when those numbers win? "I must be special! God helped me pick those numbers!" Sure, more proof that God is a Scientologist. Win the lottery? Guaranteed! Just join up w/ Tom Cruz and the Scientologists! Yea!

      Cosmologist are really uncomfortable with the question of "Why" things have happened the way the have. But I have to take my cue from Neil De Grasse Tyson.
      http://www.maniacworld.com/universe-wants-to-kill-us.html

      Professor Tyson has a point. Check out the link.

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