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Veganism

This topic is certainly up for debate, but is more an answer to those that proposed that there is no such thing as veganism due to the fact that all plant matter, and fungi have some form of dead or decayed animal matter within, or on the organism. My response to this is: veganism is not about eating dead animal matter within or on the plant form itself; thus, it is about ethics. One should ask themselves, "where does my meat come from?" Then go online and find out what they do within the slaughter houses. If one can't bear to watch it, then how can on consume the meat that comes from the "house of slaughter"? If you would like more information understanding veganism, watch Gary Yourofsky's video on Youtube. You will definitely have second thoughts towards eating meat, dairy and eggs. He is quite informative; a great speaker, and well informed.

Sincerely,

A fellow Vegan

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Closing Statement from Theo Katotikidis

I would like to thank everyone for their opinions or statements. I would have liked to hear more from some vegans or vegetarians, but I guess it was luck of the draw depending on who would have noticed this conversation.

I would like to thank Adesh Saxena and Kelwalin Dhanasarnsombut for their views on Buddhism. You have enlightened and educated me on the different forms of Buddhism. Your comments gave me the motivation to research it throughout the day :)

Lastly, I would like to thank Lamar Alexander. You put up quite a fight, even though I had no hatred towards "omnivorous human beings". You helped me remember the old me and what I fought for. I appreciate your comments/opinions on this topic and hope you will be back for more some time soon! ;)

Take care everyone!

Theo

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  • May 21 2013: I have maintained for a long time that if you eat meat, kill it...at least once. That way, you involve yourself in the gravity/sacredness of your food sources. At the very least, you will confront a part of yourself that needs recognition...what you are willing to do for food/survival, even if you are 'vegan.' I would imagine that even the staunchest 'vegan' would resort to eating meat when faced with death by starvation. The same could be said of killing plants for food, but somehow it seems better and more acceptable than killing an animal. Which brings me to another point: Aren't plants also living beings? Don't they also deserve the same kind of reverence that we give to animals? I understand the emotional response of not wanting to eat something that more closely resembles your own species (and condone vegetarianism on that basis), but let's not confuse that with with the larger issue of snuffing out the spark of life, The fact is, we occupy a place on the food chain that necessitates taking life, whether it is vegetable or animal. If there is an ethical question here, it does not concern what eat, as much as it involves the whimsy with which we treat ALL of our food sources.
    • May 21 2013: Being defined: conscious, mortal existence of life. Emphasis on conscious. To each their own.

      Please, explain to me how these plants feel about this situation? How about we make a deal: you watch how your meat is treated at a slaughter house, and I will go watch a strawberry harvest. We will see which one feels the most.

      Thanks for your opinion Mr. Meyer. Much appreciated!

      Theo
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        • May 21 2013: Please, let us now be serious. I would like you to ask anyone if plants have feelings and ask the plants how they feel when we eat then, and I bet those people will think you are crazy and the plants will not respond.

          Secondly, I absolutely DO NOT own anything made of animal products. Not even toothpaste or lotions, etc. This is part of being vegan.

          If you didn't feel guilty about any of this, you would stop wasting your time making illogical excuses on why everything vegan is wrong.
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        • May 21 2013: No I was not always a vegan. I have been a vegan for many years. Like everyone else, I was raised to eat meat. Just like our parents were raised to eat meat, and our grandparents. Do you see the trend? We are forced to eat meat, we are never given a choice. Just like religion, we are practically forced to believe in what our parents believe in, because that is all we see.

          You are right. I saw the video's and felt the guilt, but that was not the only reason I became a vegan. After the guilt came the extensive research, and I realized that we were never meant to eat meat.

          I have emptied my house from animal products such as leather, wool, etc. I can assure you, I am a true vegan. :)
      • May 21 2013: Like I said, I condone vegetarianism on emotional grounds, and I understand your feeling of sympathy towards animals in slaughterhouses, the treatment of which I, too, think is abhorrent. Like any human being, I have my emotional limits, and my behavior and habits (in this case, my eating habits) are a good litmus test of where those limits lay. Who knows? Maybe I'm a vegetarian...

        Regarding consciousness: what exactly is it and why does it matter in this argument? I mean, if a cow was born without a brain, I am sure you still would not eat it, even though it didn't have consciousness. Why?

        And aside from how you may answer those questions, are you so proud of the fact of your consciousness that you will treat as inferior all life that does not possess it, whatever it is? My belief is that we are not superior to anything because we are a part of everything. So, to clarify, the main point of my post was to encourage people to treat everything with reverence, not only things with some semblance of consciousness.

        I think it is obvious that the emotional and moral questions need to be more clearly defined here. As far as I can tell, the moral issue centers on how respectfully we treat everything in our world...including strawberries. Maybe you also have reservations about growing and eating strawberries that have been modified with a pork gene? I will hazard a guess and say that you do...again, I ask why? Perhaps tinkering with nature in this way hints at our hubris? What does this say about our respect for the natural order of things? I think slaughterhouses are also a telltale sign.

        I think that until we have an unambiguous moral imperative for our natural world, the slaughterhouses you deplore will continue...

        Thanks for the reply. All the best...strawberries, that is. lol
        Karl
        • May 21 2013: Fortunately, we have not altered plant genes with animal genes as of yet. :) I agree with the slaughterhouse opinion as well. They will continue, thus we must do something about it; one person at a time. It will take a long while, but there is evidence that it is affecting the meat industry world wide. Sales for meat has dropped, and these large companies are getting quite angry, especially the milk industry.

          Thanks, again Karl!

          Theo

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