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Is equality feasible and is it worth achieving? Subquestion: By your definitions, is equality synonymous with fairness?

This is an idea I recently fell upon while thinking about colleges and scholarships. I was wondering why I've been told (not actually witnessed) that minorities get a better chance of getting in college for being a minority. This was apparently an attempt to level the playing field and make things for equal for applicants. I realized that in their attempt to equalize the playing field, they made it unfair. What are your thoughts on this situation and any other equality situation? Do you think people should be going for fairness or equality, both, or are they essentially the same thing?


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  • Jun 7 2013: Dear Sir, answering this question requires understanding of this universe. Where do we find uniformity in here? Are human beings equal in any respect except that there is general unity in diversity? Do we find any two animals or two plants 100 % the same even if of same specie? No, we don't. Then, how do we expect equality in human beings, in resources, in environment, in results of similar efforts and in opportunities? Allah has created this universe in a manner that inter-dependence is the order of the day. There are rich and poor, physically weak and strong, genius minds and dull minds, beautiful and ugly, leaders and workers, scholars and just the literate,etc. This is how the systems of the world, in fact of the Universe, are functioning so well. The balance is maintained everywhere. Even the planets and galaxies would have scattered and got destroyed if there was no interdependence through magnetic forces. Equals in all respect do not care about one another, hence cannot live for long. Yes, equality is there in application of rules every where, which is indeed the proof that just one and only one Supreme Being is controlling this universe.This is the beauty of the system created by Allah. Let us thank Him and bow before Him alone for all this. Isn't the right time to ponder and reflect?
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      Jun 8 2013: Curious here muhammad ali.......Kindly provide empirical proof that........................... 'Allah has created this universe'................let alone that ......" in a manner that inter-dependence is the order of the day."

      Btw don't bother rolling out the Quaran as empirical on anything otherwise you will be just pedaling the Christian version of 'Circular Logic".

      • Jun 8 2013: Dear Blade Runner! You have asked me the most important and the most fundamental question. I shall try to answer you in a number of stages, it can't be done in one go. Let me say it at the outset that we have not been given the capability to see Allah with our own eyes in this world. However, He the Creator of the Universe, can be seen through His creations. Albert Einstein said," Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind"(Paul Davies,"God and the New Physics" Penguin Books, 1983). A building reminds you about its architect, a meal about the cook, a book about its author, a painting about the painter. An effect points out to its cause, a machine to its manufacturer and a design to its designer. Yet, there are people who say,"The Universe became by itself". Atheists say openly, there is no God. Agnostics say, If He is there, where is He? However, even staunch believers may sometimes wonder," Is Allah really there?" " What could He be like?" Science in its search for "Reality" faces the same dilemma: is the universe an accident, or the product of some objective reality? The order in universe points out to a definite grand design. The chain of causality ends at the BIG BANG, but with the enigmatic query still far from resolution, what was before the Big Bang? What was the cause of Big Bang? Why did it have to be? What was before it? Who did it? The emergence of a grand order out of the chaos in the Universe is also surrounded by mystery. Science says that orderly structures and complex activities that we see today have somehow arisen from the featureless ferment of the Big Bang. But this in apparent defiance of the second law of thermodynamics which requires that left at its own, order will turn into disorder with time, unless checked by an external agency. Resolution of this paradox requires the presence of an all-intelligent ever active Super Power. Do you agree? I shall continue further later.
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          Jun 9 2013: No Muhammad...................I don't agree!

          Lets look at your argument ala a rationale deconstruct............

          1. The ability to see or not see the claimed entity 'Allah' is purely a hypothesis based on the hypothesis that one accepts the existence of a 'Allah'.

          2. If one doesn't then you have no argument/case to begin with!

          3. Just because Einstein,Paul Davis or Obi-Wan "Ben" Kenobi give us their 2 cents worth on a supposed existence of a God/Allah/creator proves squat.

          4.Suggest your ramblings/ponderings about this reminding you of this or that is just your ponderings and proves nothing.

          5. As for this supposition/speculation.........."Resolution of this paradox requires the presence of an all-intelligent ever active Super Power." ie: begs the question why do some Galaxies collapse?...........Allah playing 'silly buggers'? Just more speculation I suggest.

          But hey Muhammad the crux of you Allah/god argument really rests on your question..."what was before the Big Bang? which is based on the rational question/argument of 'everything' must come from some where and that being the rationale, one then MUST ask the question .............'Where did god/allah come from?'

          Suggest to run with the concept/belief/faith that a god/allah just exists because that's the way it is, because it says so in a book, takes logic and rationale to the height of ignorance and sheer stupidity.

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      Jun 11 2013: ROFL........Come now muhammad.......................

      This is how the systems of the world, in fact of the Universe, are functioning so well.

      What rock are you living under?

      Suggest now might be a time for you to go to 'Spec Savers". :)

      Suggest the chaos theory applies to the whole shebang!

      And as for this muhammad....................

      "There are rich and poor, physically weak and strong, genius minds and dull minds, beautiful and ugly, leaders and workers, scholars and just the literate,etc."

      all created you are suggesting by allah I assume.

      That being the case even your Allah wasn't interested in equality and fairness and one has to wonder how devious, malicious and spiteful an entity your Allah is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Jun 11 2013: Equality? Is it feasible? No, it isn't. First question is who will make us equal? Allah we do not accept to exist, who else will do this work of equality? Who will give us birth and take the huge trouble of taking care of the babies? We will not require each other for any thing, why marry, why live together, why make homes? You think the government will do that? Government also consist of people, they being equal, why must they do this dirty work? Man! it is not working any more. the First humans born equal somehow will vanish within a few months. you and me will no more be there to think and speak. I still believe that interdependence is life for us, it keeps us moving, it gives us love, compassion, sympathy and good care. Equality is death for us, it is not workable at all.
        Equality may only be possible when all our needs are fulfilled by some one. Who will that be? No atheist can answer this. Automatic, without any cause? It is absurd. Yes, we believers have the answer. But you do not wish to see Him all around. For a thinking human being like you, evidence in Nature for the existence of the Supreme Creator is all pervasive. The comples structures and elaborate organisation of the Universe, from the whirling galaxies to the heart of the atom, seem to suggest answers to the question, why are things the way they are? Why the Universe at all? Why the set of laws applied every where in the same way? We are a subset of a His Superset. Just as a subset cannot comprehend the Superset, our brains are not made to understand Him fully, but we do feel His presence everywhere through His creations.
        In-equality and interdependence is His design of life in this world. Ideal of equality is not workable, not even in animal world, they depend on one another for survival here. By so doing, Allah has been most gracious to all His creations. Let us thank Him ! Praise be to Him alone!
        You are very special to me, you are thinking and questioning, you shall reach the Reality one day.

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