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vahid safavi zadeh

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What do you think about Islam?

Did you study Islam?


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    May 16 2013: please don't blow up things.
    please don't imprison women for being raped.
    please don't beat up anyone, or splash acid in the face.
    please let girls attend school too.
    otherwise, i don't have any thoughts.
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      May 16 2013: *so do some of YOU (the non-muslims) blow thing up.
      *so do YOU (the non-muslims) prison women (cleveland case, and that poor girl in Austria, girl in germany whose father raped her and then raped the child...)
      *so do YOU (the non-muslims) beat innocent peoples all over the world. Your 'freedom fighters' rape 10 year old imprisoned girls in Iraq
      *Our Girls do go to school and HAVE courage to take a bullet for it (Malala)

      You see you are a perfect example of a person who is blinded by hate and thus shall you remain! (*so sad*)
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        May 16 2013: i form no group with "non-muslims". i do not blow up things, and don't support such activities. i do not imprison anyone, but if i do, only violent criminals. i do not beat anyone up, and never did, and condemn it. i am not the one that attempted to murder malala, but guess who did. but i'm curious what do you mean by

        " blinded by hate and thus shall you remain!"

        your wish is that i remain ignorant? why? how does that benefit anyone?
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          May 16 2013: Find a dictionary and search for the word "generalization"

          Then go to Wikipedia and search word "troll" or better "internet troll"
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        May 16 2013: where is the generalization in my post? corollary to that: where is it in yours? (hint: "YOU the non-muslims")
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      May 17 2013: My question is to one and all

      Did anybody give you knowledge of all the religions and than gave you the choice to choose any one of them?


      You basically inherited religion from your parents. Now you are bound to defend it.
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        May 17 2013: "Now you are bound to defend it."

        you better quit it. if the sole reason to hold a belief is that your parents held it, you should just abandon it without hesitation. it is not a good reason.
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          May 17 2013: I agree Krisztian.

          The point i am making here is that no one is given the choice to follow any religion, you automatically follow your parents religion... than why argue?
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        May 17 2013: to make it stop. some people quit their religion, and seeing the other perspective can be a factor in that. btw i'm not a diehard advocate of abandoning all religious beliefs. i'm with sam harris on that: abandon crazy behavior. religion is not an excuse for crazy / evil / irrational behavior. so as long as you don't do evil things, i don't care what do you believe. thus my original post: stop doing these things, and we are OK.
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          May 17 2013: Kate such a conversion rate is miniscule, negligible
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          May 17 2013: More over not many feel the need to change their family religion
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        May 17 2013: Hello Adesh,
        This is a response to your comment...
        "My question is to one and all
        Did anybody give you knowledge of all the religions and than gave you the choice to choose any one of them?
        You basically inherited religion from your parents. Now you are bound to defend it".

        I was born into a catholic family, and practiced that religion for 19 years....as long as I lived with my parents...even though I questioned many of the teachings from the time I was a child.

        I abandoned that religion and did not practice any religion for 20 years. Then I started to explore, study, research and practice many different religious and philosophical beliefs, including studying and practicing sufism. I even revisited catholicism by studing it, not ever practicing it again. I do not choose to practice any religion at this time.

        As a child, we may not have choices regarding our beliefs, and I believe that as adults, we DO have choices and the opportunity to explore our beliefs and practices. I think, based on my experience, and many I interact with, it may be more common than you think:>)
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          May 17 2013: In India > 99% follow religion of parents. Though we may not accept every thing in our religion but i was allowed to do and think as i like. So i never felt the need to align with any faith. Among friends and family religion is usually not a topic of discussion, we donot give much importance to it.

          I would be interested to know conversion rate in your part of the world
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        May 17 2013: Sorry Adesh, I do not have statistics.

        If you were allowed to think as you like, why did you write...
        "You basically inherited religion from your parents. Now you are bound to defend it".

        We don't talk a lot about it in my life experience, but occasionally some of us have philosophical discussions with the intent to learn, and I have lots of friends who practice different religious and philosophical beliefs, which we all accept. TED was my first experience of so many confrontational discussions about god and religion!
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        May 17 2013: Adesh,
        I just found this, which says "about half of american adults have changed religious affiliation at least once in their life"


        Feyisayo, I could not get a response to your comment close.....scroll down a bit and you may find it:>)
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          May 17 2013: Colleen! Its been a while! I love this new picture. lovely smile. What is your view on religion generally? And what is your take on my submission that the God of the bible calls for a relationship and not necessarily 'religion'?
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          May 17 2013: That's a revelation to me. and you may be surprised to learn that most here follow thier parent's religion

          "You basically inherited religion from your parents. Now you are bound to defend it". I say this because it's very relevant in this part of the world. Because most of people here inherit parent's religion and some become intolerant to other's views and defend it sometimes aggressively. This may be the genesis of violence in the name of religion.
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        May 17 2013: It is a revelation to me too Adesh. Although I am aware that lots of people are changing or abandoning religious beliefs, I would not have guessed half!

        I'm not surprised about most people there following their parents religion....I think I've heard that. It is too bad that people EVERYWHERE cannot be more tolerant of each other. We could take it one step further, and say it would be good if people accept other people for who and what they are, IF their beliefs and practices do not adversly impact other people:>)
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        May 17 2013: Dear Feyisayo,
        It has indeed been a while, and thank you for the compliment. The photo was taken while biking with my "play group" on a beautiful day.....sun, fresh air, exercise with my buddies, and I felt very content:>)

        Now for your questions:>)
        My view on religion in general, at this point, comes from many years of living a religious belief because I was born into it, and as an adult, studying, researching and practicing various religious and philosophical beliefs for about 20 years.

        In my perception, most religions start off with some very good concepts....love thy neighbor...do unto others...we are all one.....etc. At some point, however, these very basic concepts seem to get buried in dogma that is not very valuable to the people it is supposed to serve. I witness a lot of contradiction and hypocrisy. Killing people in the name of a god one says is unconditionally loving is a good example of this. Another example, is telling people they are going to be sent to hell by an unconditionally loving god!

        "God of the bible calls for a relationship and not necessarily 'religion'?"
        We KNOW Feyisayo that there are lots of different interpretations of the words in the bible, and if you choose to believe that statement, it's ok with me. I support and encourage ANY belief that serves as a life guide to someone WHEN/IF that belief DOES NOT ADVERSLY IMPACT OTHER PEOPLE.
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      May 17 2013: "please don't blow up things"

      "please don't beat up anyone"

      The pot calling the kettle black again.
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        May 17 2013: because ... i blew up anything? or called for? or supported?
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          May 17 2013: Not you personally.

          You seem to be responding to the media view of Islam.

          If Budapest was sitting on a huge oil field and a country vastly richer than Hungary laid claim to all of it by invading and "blowing stuff up", how would you respond?
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        May 17 2013: guess what, i would say

        "please don't blow up things"

        am i consistent or what?
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          May 17 2013: You may well be consistent in the safety of this hypothetical situation, but let's really try hard to grasp this kind of reality for a moment: Are you saying that your response would not be even remotely visceral when you find out that the city you love, your family and friends are in danger of being destroyed by foreign invaders?

          In the face of such invasion, and in the heat of the moment, is it enough to stand there saying: "please don't blow up things"? Do you think the invaders would actually listen to you, if what they are after has unimaginable economic value to their culture?
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        May 17 2013: so the question is: in a dire situation, would i be able to stick to my principles or not. why does it matter? i don't want anyone to follow me. follow my principles.

        btw blowing things up obviously does not solve anything, and only puts them in an even more dire situation. so you can't really support blowing things up with utilitarian arguments either.
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          May 17 2013: I admire those principles.

          What I'm trying to do is to get you to discuss the notion that blowing things up cannot be confined exclusively to Islam.

          I put to you that Christianity, and economic ideologies in the name of Christianity, are just as much to blame for world atrocities - if not more so.

          The roots of Christianity and Islam, and their proponents, are much more peaceful than their modern, media portrayed equivalents. Those modern equivalents seem to me to be too steeped in politics and economics for them to be regarded any more as legitimate religions. Both are as bad as each other in that respect.

          The upshot is that oil is not a God-given right for Western consumption, if it is at all costs. Neither are fundamentalist reactions towards such greed. Which came first, do you think?

          I ask you somewhat bluntly, do you think Islam would be a peace-loving religion if it wasn't for oil?
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        May 17 2013: "cannot be confined exclusively to Islam."

        and i did not do that.
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          May 17 2013: As your first reaction to Vahid's question, I feel it it was implied.

          So if the question was: "What do you think about Christianity?", you still would have said: "Please don't blow things up"...?
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        May 17 2013: no, i would say "please don't molest children and don't cover up such crimes. do not support dictators and war criminals for money, do not kill, threaten or beat up abortion clinic employees, and do not deny facts and support pseudosciences"
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          May 17 2013: Fair enough.

          I would add: "Please don't go to war, and claim that God is on your side".

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