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What if the roman empire never fell?

What is our world today?would there have been a n industrial revolution? Electricity? Parliament? English? USA?

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    May 28 2013: terry jones argues that the roman empire did not fall. it just shrunk in size, and today we call it vatican.
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    May 16 2013: Perhaps the toga would still be in style?
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    May 29 2013: I wasn't aware that Rome had fallen. It is still there. I found it on Google maps!
  • May 28 2013: I can't quite see how warfare today differs appreciably from that of 2000 years ago, except in the details of gadgetry. As a matter of fact ,, they had gadgets too.
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    May 28 2013: What you are asking is Faustian! If things remained the same, never changing, evolving, etc. we would be in another world, another reality.
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    May 28 2013: I don't see the connection. The fall of the Roman Empire is just one in a long succession of rising and falling empires.
  • May 28 2013: The Roman Empire, though very creative overall, had fatal flaws, and could not survive. It is like asking what if a certain person had never died. Now I would not say that it is as certain that some more realistically arranged society could not survive indefinitely, if it had the cultural structure to evolve without internally sabotaging itself. But so far that has not been invented. One would think that the US Consitituion could be such a flexilble pattern, but we already see that it is not. Mainly I think because our cultural assumptions about Human Nature are simply wrong. I.e.,a "Society", if it exists, has a group aspect, more than just an arbitrary collection of "Individuals". As we see, this idea leads to Suicide by Selfishness, , a la Ayn Rand, We are NOT a family, so "Shame" does not work. Just look at Wall St.. It is unsustainable. And no civilised society can survive based on Power by Slavery.
  • May 22 2013: There is speculation that if the Roman Empire never fell then the Dark Ages never would have happened.
  • May 21 2013: Latin would still be the universal language of the western world. That would be much less difficult, less stressful. There would be fewer misunderstandings.
  • May 18 2013: Robert,
    considering the fact that music and singing was an integral part of everyday life in ancient Rome, I can imagine it would have had an effect on music as we know it today... The Romans were particularly fond of carmen (chanting, rhythmicm hymn-like singing) and pantomimus (the combination of expressive dancing, music and singing).

    Whether that effect would be positive or negative, remains the question... Based on the aforementioned musical elements, we could be living in a society today where everyone would break into song at any given moment! At the same time, the development of instruments and musical technique, presumably unhindered, could've resulted in musical advances we can't even contemplate. Perhaps the idea of 'musical taste' or preference would be irrelevant - music would possibly be as natural a part of being a human being as breathing...
  • May 17 2013: Nothing ever stays the same and nothing reallyh goes away. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Roman Republic. Before the Republic there were kings and Etruscans. There is always a before. At one time the government had a Pontificus Maximus or whatever. Now her is a Jesuit. Things change sort of.
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    May 16 2013: Rome gave us good thigs, useful procedures, good laws and so on. But long lasting domination isn't very useful and I think is not possible all along the time. Long lasting status of domination, may become unacceptable, even beneficial or profitable. Human groups love change, evolution.
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    • May 28 2013: ZX: Well, what point is there in having US troops in 130 different countries today?! Afghanistan doesn't even have "swamps and fishermen", it would appear. To answer your question, no, aside from individual enrichment, there is no point to it.