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What does your utopian future look like?

Is your utopia a capitalist or socialist economy? Doyou allow freedom? Is the world you know embrace technology but still in touch with culture and tradition and religion? Are yoir people left brained robots, right brained artist, or both.? Do you have a world federation or an earth confederacy? What is your world like by the year 2150?

Topics: future utopia
  • May 18 2013: My utopian future would be neither capitalist nor socialist, it would be an economy based on need where people were not paid to work, but to live. Just to produce and create would be its own reward. People would not own what they produce either, for the product or creation would be owned by everyone else who is producing and creating too. So, for instance, an author would be paid for living, and she/he would write just for the personal thrill of writing. The book written would not be owned by the author, but the society that paid for the upkeep of the author. Thus, the book (or a piece of music, a performance, a film, a technology, a type of medicine etc – anything produced or created) would be free to anyone who wanted to read (use, consume, watch etc) it. This would do away with careers aimed at becoming wealthy, and change them into callings whose goals are creative expression and self-satisfaction. It would mean that in a lifetime we could meet one challenge and then take up another, perhaps by indulging in life-long learning. It would mean sharing knowledge, not hording (and patenting) it. It would mean helping the poor not simply from charity but because we know that improving their lives would make them more productive and creative, and thus help the community as a whole. The political outcome of such a utopian system would be communities bound together through collective action, linked to other communities that contribute to the common good. Social capital produced and used like this ought to increase our chance of conquering diseases, going into space, ending wasteful conflicts, solving global problems etc. How to move from where we are in today to such a utopian future is what we ought to be thinking about and working for now.
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      May 25 2013: Yeah! It would require a fundamental change in our value system, and maybe the beginning would be a deep understanding of the psychological constraints that keep us in fear based bondage to ownership and competition.
      • May 25 2013: Thanks. The way our society works now, we are rewarded (incentivized) for succeeding as owners and competitors; we are given more wealth and power. To change that, society needs to move toward incentivising (praising, supporting, rewarding) people for creating and sharing products, for working hard to meet those personal challenges that add to social capital, and for contributing to society's well-being. A few places we see people sharing (e.g., charitable giving, 'fan fiction', torrents, free lectures/university education online) and we need to expand that tendency, and to praise people for doing the 'right thing' whenever they do. That is changing 'values'. On a political level, these changes might be accompanied by a move from acting to achieve our narrow interests to meeting our shared interests. For instance, society has banned the sale of 'blood diamonds', and has outlawed slavery, it has passed rules about international human rights and granting asylum to refugees, etc. So, we can globally agree to do the right thing now and again. But we are weak when it comes to halting abuse inside another nation's borders (where tyrants hide behind 'national sovereignty') and we can't seem to get our act together to tackle climate change globally (ensuring all abide by the rules needed to halt it). So, there are some structural and legal frameworks that need to be addressed as well as changing our values. To me, its a matter of getting the 'incentives' right, and when we do they will motivate people and societies to change. How far away is that future?
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          May 25 2013: Great food for thought - thanks.
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    May 16 2013: Free education, no poverty, no war, no racism. Kind of world everyone can walk hand in hand like bro and sis :)
  • May 16 2013: It doesnt have to be capitalism or socialism in the future. In fact, with robots, 3d printing and Watson systems coming, the old definitiions of economies based on captilsm or communism will be replaced. A change will be needed to distribute the benefits of society that will no longer be based on paying for labor or allocations based on perceived needs. I hope that the replacement will be merit based. Where rewards based on acheivements on many levels will provide incentives to learn more amd improve society. Where crowd designed and rated goods replace state mandated designs to fulfill the needs of the many over the needs of the elite few. I cant see how this would all work but hope the future brings the answers.
  • May 20 2013: From reading in many posters here, I realized that many emphasized earth/environment friendly measure or practices. Please excuse my verbosity, let me suggest some approach toward a halfway goal to the utopian concept by improving the earth-friendly practice (termed: "terrami") which are quite practical, because they are already existed or are projected within the near future.
    1. "Terrami" housing units
    The government or community planning group should organize a contractor to mass-produce a standardized house unit, all with only reasonable sized rooms and with solar panels and electrically wired thru the whole house to save energy use. There also will be water recycling and waste processing equipments attached to the house. The former is capable of treating the waste water and produce potable water and sanitized water for reuse or for gardening irrigation. The food recycle unit accepts the food or other waste and converts them into dried fertilizer to be used for growing plants in the garden or asking the municipal agency to collect them to be used by other citizens.
    2. Terrami transportation:
    There are only 2 means of transportation by most citizens. The first is the mass transportation. They should be extensively set up so that there wont be long distance travel by the individual riders from their home to the public stations. The more important new improvement is the private transportation tools. It's already in rapid development that a vehicle can travel all (driverless) by itself from a designated spot A to spot B. So for a commuter for working or shopping. the "car" can be used to send the day worker in the morning to the ride on mass transit, but immediately returns to his home after he left by the train. Furthermore, this personal vehicle can be fueled by all 3 modes; solar, electric and manual peddling, if it is made to be very light weight. Imagine how much energy saving and CO2 reduction be made by such setup.
    It can surely be done before 2150.
  • May 19 2013: Capitalism and socialism should absolutely cease being seen as mutually exclusive. I don't think there's is any hope for this world if ideologues continue to carry on as if the Cold War still exist and one must wipe out the other. The US has fallen behind in may ways since the end of the Cold war because it has a delusional element who think the Cold War was "won". Both sides lost for having trashed so much capital and resources and ingenuity into threat of our own extinction. Globalism is a reality and winners in it have hybrid economies that make for entrepreneurial success while providing for the upkeep and welfare of their nations. American ideologues still caught in the time warp believe that it should be "winner take all" and that's what we are seeing, 1% have and 99% have nots. History has shown that people will tolerate that ridiculous inequality only so long. I don't argue for artificial equality enforced by a state, just a hybrid economy where the winners actually consider it a privilege to contribute to the upkeep and elevation of the society. The real truth though is that we are not created beings at all and flaw is the rule not the exception. And one common flaw is the absence of empathy. And wealth seems to follow those who smash others and prefer castles with moats and alligators over safe communities with good schools and public works.
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    May 17 2013: I just traveled back in time from 2150 to reply to your message, because I thought it was a great question. The singularity as you now refer to it really will happen for you. The global intelligence emerged out of our interconnected minds, aided with advanced computing devices and material science in its infancy in your time. Shortly after the global intelligence emerged, we discovered the cure to all diseases and aging, all the energy we could need, and we discovered how to move our consciousness into the cloud. At that point humanity divided into two. Half opted for immortality in the cloud - we call ourselves Immortals now, and the other half opted to live and die of natural causes - they call themselves Naturals.

    We've just figured out how to incarnate as developing humans fetuses - the ideal time is right around week 6 or 7. Once incarnated, we are born, live a whole life, and then recover the consciousness upon death. Some of us are choosing to reincarnate in human form now and live among the Naturals. Our rule though is that when incarnated, you lose all memory of your immortal soul, and no immortal can communicate with you.

    We've become a level 1 civilization and are starting to explore the nearby galaxy, as we can travel at high rates of acceleration now in cyber bodies which let's us travel using relativistic time dilation. I won't ruin the surprise for you about what we've discovered out there so far.

    We've reached the point where we have enough ways of backing up consciousness, that you don't need to worry about losing it. You've always got a good backup.

    Our social structure in the cloud is so different from Naturals' social structures that it's hard to describe concisely, but you might think of it as a world wide civilization in realtime touch with everyone else at the same time, and a culture of living in harmony and love. And such adventures!
    • May 17 2013: This gives me the chills... wish I could be there to see it all.
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        May 17 2013: If you are young enough, it's quite possible you could be there to see it all, if you opt for the immortality part. Many people don't want that for themselves. Ray Kurzweil, the guy who popularized the term 'The Singularity', thinks he may be young enough at age 65.
        • May 18 2013: No thank you, D! Immortality would not be part of my utopia, that's for sure!!
          Perhaps I could see it on a different level, not as a separate human being, but as a unified part of the earth...
    • May 18 2013: i seek understanding....in 2150, there is still the perception of a separate Self?.....separate from others? separate from nature? Separate from the universe and, in a sense, the Center of the Universe? What is its function? I like Ray. :-)
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        May 19 2013: Here in 2150 we have found that maintaining the illusion of a separate self is necessary for evolving consciousness. The global mind also has its own illusion of a separate self, as being separate from the rest of the universe. The whole universe is conscious, every rock and tree and moon, even empty space.

        When we disconnect from the global consciousness to go exploring, the sense of self is invaluable. Also, we have found that each consciousness will evolve differently and that diversity gives the whole global consciousness strength.
    • May 19 2013: I use to call it cyber-world to my kids. Long before any cloud but the principal was immortality on a chip. Living in a virtual world gave you unlimited power to replicate anything you wanted to experience. At some point you would become so bored, wonder about death and curse the back up systems that disabled any opportunity to pull the plug.
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        May 19 2013: Hi Thor,

        Cyber-world is a good word for it, but we are not limited to living a virtual reality. We are exploring our galactic neighborhood and what we have discovered so far is more interesting than the cyber-worlds we create. There is so much out there to explore, experience, and learn that I can't imagine being bored any time soon. But then again time is infinite, so we have a few choices should someone choose de-animation, or death.

        Although your consciousness is backed up, we do not need to restore that backup should all the living, functioning copies of yourself cease (die). We also have a way of hitting the pause button on your consciousness, which effectively gives you death.

        There is another option too which some find compelling. They choose incarnation in a human body and when that body eventually dies, we recover your consciousness and we ask you if you would like to return to the cloud and global consciousness, or if you choose, we can pull the plug at that point.

        So you've got the plug in your own hands and can pull it whenever you like.
    • May 19 2013: Our world's seem different but for some reason it doesn't sound like much changed!
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    May 23 2013: How far in the future do you mean, and how "real" does that utopian image need to be?

    On the short span:
    - the rise of AI and cyborgs
    - a government that recons with Rawls veil of ignorance, is organised according to knowledge and deep democracy.
    - no tax on labor, but tax on consumption
    - taking the limits of our planet into account when producing and consuming, so we can stabilize our climate within optimal boundaries
    => might be done by 2150

    on the long range:
    - Life forms that have a much more expanded range of emotions, experiences, wisdom, intelligence,... than us who continue to discover and improve, experiment and experience this cosmos in all it's possible aspects. And that I stem in a memory line from it, so I am (part of) one the experiencers.
    - that these long living creatures reach different planets and galaxies
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    May 19 2013: My utopian future is more than an idea, it is an imperative. For the species, man to survive, we must take control of our planet. We are connected. We can easily determine the will of the people. We can now do without representive systems and it's kingdoms and focus on buliding a world order that works. Lets leave the feudal sytem behind an live together as one.
    • May 23 2013: David: as a sort of Historian, I find your idea that we "can easily determine the Will of the People" to be rather self-contradictory. What leader or Dictator did NOT believe he was" determining" the W.o.P?(Pun intended or not?) Hitler? Stalin? Obama? Churchill ? Even Jesus? This is actually what politics has always been about.
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        May 23 2013: I'm going to take a swing at this, albeit a wild one.

        When David meant we do away with a "representative" system, think of it this way. As of today, the general public gets to vote for a government and all decisions that affect life as we know it are taken by these chosen few.

        Think for a second if a secure universal version of Twitter helped the public vote on all issues big and small.

        We wouldn't need a king or a party to rule, but just collective consciousness of humanity.

        And since we're on the concept of Utopia, why limit ourselves by thinking "oh this is not possible" or "it has never been done in the past".
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          May 23 2013: 5 minutes ago: Yes, Arun. You understand the concept. The will of the people can also be called the collective consciousness. Polling the voters is the only way we (humanity) can take control of our world. The dictators, elected or otherwise, will always have obligations to their supporters. That puts the supporters in charge.
          Plebiscites are becoming more and more common. We vote on issues rather that delegate others to speak for us. This system is used to some degree in 24 states in the U.S. and is in control in Switzerland, where voters can overrule the legislators and even dump them, by private initiative. They are doing very well economically.
          Would there have been an Iraq war, if the voters had been consulted? I think not. According to Abe Lincoln democracy is OF the people, BY the people. Before the internet, the representative system was the best we had. Things have changed. We can now easily determine the will of the people.
          This is far different from a military dictatorship where the rulers declare the will of the people. This IS the will of the people. Do not expect the holders of power to support the concept. They fear the collective consciousness. War is only good for the few who are enriched by it and by the corporations that have the government in their pocket. We are under the control of an obsolete political system. What can we do? Move towards polling voters for all decisions and letting the representatives, who rarely represent their constituents best interests, stay home.
          This can be easily implemented by polling the voters and when a large enough percentage of the electorate is involved, the results of the poll will first be considered by the elected, then empowered as in Switzerland.
          Go to Wikipedia and check out direct democracy. It was there at the birth of democracy and is an integral part of its structure. The existing system is just a system and all systems are subject to improvements as intelligence evolves.
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          Jun 1 2013: I just put up an idea about an hour ago about voting through Facebook and Twitter type social networks! I'm so happy to see that someone else is already getting the thought out before i did! Its a great idea to let everyone vote on everything instead of electing a representative that most like will be corrupted or manipulated by someone or something that can fatten up their pockets. All this seems to be leading to a communist or socialist type society BUT it wouldnt be because of peoples state of mind. State of mind is unbelievably powerful and we should realize we can tell someone to do something or we can show them why they should do it. For instance, you can tell your child to clean their room and they might be upset about that BUT if you explain to your child that if your room is messy you might not be able to find your favorite toy. Now do you think that child would let their room get messy? What if they applied this ideal to the whole world? What do you imagine someone with this mindset would do as an adult in a position of power?
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    May 16 2013: The President of the United States is a gay Iranian.
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    May 16 2013: A positive paradigm shift in our GREED based today's model that's my utopia.
    • May 19 2013: Maybe start with a culture shift towards making the ostentatious display of personal wealth obscene?
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    • Jun 16 2013: It all begs many questions...

      Do you mean we need to abolish thermodynamics?
      What would you do with people suited for non-creative work?
      How do you practice/excercise something online that is actually physical?
      How do you deal with people that are less social?
      How do you ensure that the computers don't make a mistake? Or their programmers? What about malicious modifications? (Hey, let's go full Asimov here. Good luck!)
      How do you draw a line between mental illness and healthy, but unusual, minds?
      Not being able to cross long distances would reduce physical sociability, is it really what anyone wants? How doesn't it conflict with "more sociability"?

      This whole idea sounds like going against freedom and diversity, like many utopias.
      Each of those questions warrants a TED talk, probably been done a few times as well.

      If cornucopia is what you're after, why not go into space, where there's lots of various materials for most purposes imaginable and not?
      Yes, I know, we lack good enough propulsion (to get there in reasonable timeframe) and cryonics or worldships. (to not get mad from the wait)
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        • Jun 16 2013: You will be limited on raw materials, even if you go to fusion for an energy solution. (And there's nothing better thought up yet. Maybe there's something better, but we don't know it.) No, solar is not good enough for current numbers of people on one planet..

          People are not machines, yes, but nobody is either perfect or equal. Some people do one thing better, others do another. Cooperation is actually very much required - and for that, free flow of information combined with ease of access.
          Currently vast amounts are still hard.

          Successful is one, but what about well-being? We don't even know really how that works...

          You don't practice from an online video. You need to actually do the thing that's explained, which makes e.g. practicing housebuilding quite hard. Or for example practicing, say, surgery without a phantom. Yes, you could argue that in a perfect world of nanotechnology you could dream up anything and download a physical object to practice on. Still needs resources.

          Assuming that utopia is perfect because it's an utopia is a tautology. I prefer realistic solutions.

          No, I don't have anything else in mind. Any idea will have flaws and drawbacks, therefore there's no ultimate utopia. I haven't figured one complex enough for me to not poke flaws in it.

          It would definitely have to involve:
          a) enough resources by both technological means and distribution through space
          b) enough communication to keep cohesion (hard! speed of light is a problem)
          c) ability to make anything just given enough energy

          Even mine is flawed by the old conundrum of whether really making anything is good and will not cause large scale harm by some misguided effort of someone.

          Ehh, why is the conversation time limited? I'd love no time llimits.
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    Jun 15 2013: One where each religion accepts that their Prophets, Messiahs and Avatars were ordinary people with a larger knowledge and each one only had a part of the truth.
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      Jun 15 2013: This concept shall be established not only within religion, but be the law for all kinds of "prophets" in every field of our activities and knowledge.
  • Jun 2 2013: I believe my utopian society would be built not around perfecting its laws and its capabilities of governing it's population, but the population govern themselves individually. People would treat others as they would want to be treated. Individuals would work for the society not because they themselves would benefit from it but because the society benefits from it. They would be awarded for what they do instead of what they own; especially since what you own is usually the payment of work. Education would incorporate and teach philosophy, morals, reasonable and logical thinking and why they should do things alongside the knowledge of how to do things. The government would have an open-mind and would be open to possibility and change, while the leaders of the society would be picked for their compassion, logical reasoning, open-mindedness and morals (essentially Plato's philosopher-king). They would live without as many commodities as beds, extremely quick transportation, and sterile environments to live in. People would walk or ride a bicycle at least to the community transport to go places. People would become extremely healthy and strong compared to walking to your car and driving somewhere. Obesity would be completely demolished. Immune systems would be iron strong. If people didn't wear shoes, your feet wouldn't be so tender. Instead of manipulating your surroundings to your whim, you would learn to live with it. The brightest light is found in the darkest places because you adapt to the darkness and the light is then that much more brighter. Rich people are rarely happy because they become used to having so much money. i believe you should have to qualify as a parent before you can have children: to prevent child abuse, neglect, and overpopulation of the society to some extent. Nature has its own way of fixing overpopulation. WAR. Is the prevention of some life better than mass murder? Utopia will have to incorporate a lot of philosophy..
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      Jun 4 2013: I agree with a large amount of what you write, Robert, especially your last sentence. However, qualifing as a parent would be done how exactly? What will child abuse be considered by then? I remember what it use to be compaired to what child abuse is considered today. Is this a test? Is there a study guide? Can the test be retaken, how many times? Can only master minds reproduce? Would it be better to qualify a sperm and egg? Ha! I don't know if I would want to be in a world of such perfection. Who would be the person in charge of the test?
      • Jun 4 2013: I would think that if a couple would want a child, they would just have to prove their determination and prove that they will take care of the to-be child in question and understand the responsibility and cause and effect of having a child. Its a proposition not likely to be needed in a utopian society, but perhaps needed in a more dystopian society. Also, i believe their are two types of parents. The Biological parents that pass on their genes, appearances, and such, and the parents that pass on their knowledge, wisdom, habits, and views of the world and who protect and take care of the child. The latter parents can include teachers and friends and most biological parents. The society would probably try to figure out how people should pursue happiness and what would be correct morals and teach each other their findings and strive for growth. As i said before i believe that happiness, sadness, and degree of lifestyle is changeable. People adapt to their surroundings and should strive to adapt to lesser/ worse conditions (as in challenging oneself) so that they may grow.
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      Jun 15 2013: Thank you for sharing with your wisdom.. It is extremely rare to hear one openly seeing our mad society in all "bloom", but still thinking soberly, and thoughtfully, about our possibilities. I agree with Everything you suggest. Since our society has decided to follow the old fool Plato, and adopted his "ideal" recipes and deadly-stiff systems for life, blindness has been leading people to the wars and man-made disasters to this very day.

      The fundamental concepts of Heraclitus' unavoidable Change, and Protagoras' Limitations of our Perceptions need to be introduced in our elementary schools. We learn only while adopting to nature's changes, we survive and evolve only when we change ourselves, accordingly to this natural experience.

      Our society today keeps producing endlessly idiotic "products" from "exciting" food to "interactive" technology, building its "economy" based upon this global factory of entertainment. Looks like the very dead-end of our human world... In spite that we gulp endless tons of food and get entertained all day long, we have immeasurable need for this crazy entertainment, it is the result of our postmodern human illness. The physical lack of nourishment and emotional starvation, both problems have been developed by our artificial isolation from nature. We live in overcrowded places, surrounded by tremendous noise, bad air and high walls, we do not know who we are, and we do not know any better..

      We learn only when we can compare - we need to start building new small communities suggesting different life style, alternative education, new skills, new ethics..... and provoke people to think for themselves.
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    May 31 2013: The Venus Project. Its not perfect and they tell you that but its a hell of a lot better than what we have today and its possible right now with the technology and combined effort of the world.
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    • Jun 1 2013: Martin Luther King... baby... Martin Luther King.
    • Jun 1 2013: Wow, why didn't i think of that? But I truly agree- if everyone of us maintained our child-like innocence, our world will be much better off.
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      May 25 2013: An excellent post! I sometimes think that we are just one or two steps away from a psychological understanding of ourselves that will free us from the bonds of our fear laden conditioning.
    • Jun 16 2013: How do you figure out which kind of happiness is better than the other?
      Our minds are perfectly happy with many disastrous things that nudge dopamine receptors. (many drugs)
      [Actually, I know a way, gauge network effects perhaps.] The main pitfall of maximizing total happiness is that it doesn't consider unpredictable future, only now and perhaps predictable future.

      What does "humane" entail? Has anyone ever fully answered that question?

      Do you want to force everyone to participate? Why and how?
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    May 19 2013: "It the best society, the rich take public transportation."

    I cannot tell you the economic structure nor can I really suggest any good image, but what I do know is what will be the difference between humans destroying our planet or not.

    We need a society which is pushing for values of the futurist, science fiction writers, transhumanist and overmen. Simply, we need two major ideas to be the goal of every individual alive today - the Venus Project (or something like it) and the ideals of Star Trek: to explore space to know our place in the universe and to guarantee our species survival by opening our arms as big as possible to other life forms. In a world we realize humans are all the same, will be the world we realize the platinum rule should not be a rule but second nature, an instinct. To treat a stranger like you would a family or friend, without second thoughts, would be an exercise of utopian attitudes. While 'society' and 'culture' are the main issues in these questions of utopians, individual responsibility is where most stress is needed - not how society should function, how individuals should function in society.
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    May 19 2013: My thoughts are like most of the comments here. I believe one of the first steps to this utopia is less competition among each other in the work force. This derives from my personal career experiences. Our basic needs and well being should not be judged on how well we compete with others.

    20 hours a week being free (being a kid again) and 20 hours of what we now call a J-O-B. Everyone would be employed. We may begin to find our utopia in our J-O-B again :)

    How do we get there from here is what we should answer.
    • May 20 2013: More than a century of progress reducing the workweek. 6 day and 12 hour days were not uncommon at the turn of the past century. Holidays, maternity leave, unemployment insurance and similar entitlements did not exist. The Industrialists. tycoons and bankers of the day would have thought you insane to suggest 4 day 35 hour workweeks with long weekends, 3 weeks holidays, sick days , pensions and so on. Yet our economy boomed. Leisure industries and other pursuits stimulated more economic activity. Somewhere around the mid eighties the wage slavers retook control and today people are working more hours than decades ago for a lower standard of living. I suggest getting back on track to reducing the hours we work for others rather than ourselves. Mandatory retirement and shorter hours would go a long way to alleviating the youth unemployment problem.
  • May 19 2013: Capitalism has failed but some of the best practices linger on. So do they from other belief systems. They have been incorporated into an open source economy and communities. Profits are distributed more equitably. Communities are focused on providing infrastructure and encouraging creative development. The Victorian concept of work has long ago been displaced by automation. Human labor is of no value. Human creativity is in great demand. Anyone can participate in open source projects and receive credit for any contribution that adds value. Many do not as they are busy with their own projects, caring for children, engaging their community , social events, athletics, classes, micro gardens, and family/home in general. They are too busy living to understand how people in the past had to spend 50-60 hours a week engaged in redundant activities. Make work projects they called them. Then again they did not live through the troubles when unemployment resulted in poverty for blue and white collar workers. Professional, administrative, manager and director levels of the corporate world could not thwart the development of intelligent open source technologies and consequently the upper classes also began to join the ranks of the unemployed. The social assistance systems became over strained. Desperate people caused an ever increasing need for police, security, prisons and social workers . An overburdened legal system and underfunded government began to collapse. Open source technologies and systems drove costs continuously lower, minimized profit margins and displaced human labor. Only when we realized that the same systems could be used to govern did it become obvious it was more efficient , cost effective and humane to provide everyone the necessities of life and create communities that focused on the betterment of it citizens. The path to utopia?
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      May 25 2013: To me this path looks very interesting and possibility laden - I can see it as being at least a part of a solution, but how does it deal with the dragons who profit from economic and social control?
      • May 26 2013: Some dragons will remain but be far more visible and accountable. Others will become redundant and fade away as much of aristocratic society did. Some will become media stars and tourist attractions as some Royalty has.
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          May 26 2013: My inclination is to believe that the increased transparency that is becoming possible due to technology will move us along in a very positive direction.
  • May 17 2013: Let me also comment on the immortality question. If the new world with all the people being conscious of our environment and our obligations to our fellow men/women, and were happy and content with no fear of being oppressed or harmed intentionally, we would naturally LIVE LONGER AND IN BETTER HEALTH CONDITIONS AS WELL.
    However, if everybody wishes to live forever, then how would the earth support more and more humanity, unless we stop to reproduce our own offspring? That's selfishness which is definitely detrimental to the utopia concept.
    If I am allowed to make my own decision, I would gladly leave the world contentedly and peacefully to give room to our offspring without any regret.
    • May 19 2013: Possibly a malthusian viewpoint but I do agree. In either case immortality would become Hell once the only thing left to ponder was what happened to all the dead people?
  • May 17 2013: Everything is perfect the way it is.
    • May 18 2013: you see
    • May 18 2013: In your world poverty does not count I suppose!
      • May 19 2013: In my world view golden bars are uglier than empty stomachs.
        Poverty isn't a handicap and has nothing to do with happiness and freedom.
        We all exist for each other. Poor are those who cant realize that.
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    May 17 2013: Its a wonderful world.
    • May 18 2013: But for all the wonder people are starving. Is this wonderful too?
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      May 19 2013: G'day FA

      It is indeed a wonderful world, it's humans that make it otherwise.

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    May 16 2013: I think a utopia is very much a personal paradise, any type of collective paradise would be so uniform.

    Utopia is a possibility at this very moment, if I'm as happy as I believe I can be.
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    May 16 2013: . .
    It is the future without invalid (harmful) happiness.

    Invalid happiness makes us greedy.
    Greed stops us going to utopia.
    • May 18 2013: Good idea but incomplete.

      Greed is part of what drives us to consume but lazyness is what stops us producing enough! These two natural features of our nature are opposites (oximogan) and it is the combination of them that we apply to our lives in the subject that some (more studied people) call macroeconomics.

      "Man seeks to satisfy his endless desires with the least exertion" Henry George--Americal economist 1879.
      • May 19 2013: Bill Gates has been quoted as saying ""I choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it." ...
        Multiple generations trained for jobs that are being displaced by automation and intelligent software systems at exponential rates. A governing class that cannot accept the shift because the idea of losing their workers is akin to when the Aristocrats of the feudal age lost their serfs. Industrialists and their support networks are proving to be very resistant to redundancy.
        What stops us producing enough is that we're not being motivated to produce more art, poetry or great literature and that there are few positions relative to supply and demand that would accelerate building of inclusive sustainable and healthy communities. We still have a system which fails at recognizing what should be profitable. .
  • Jun 15 2013: In the future.. The earth will be ravaged by global warming and overpopulation and the rich and greedy people will leave in space-ships while the kind and logical people are pushed to the side and left to rebuild earth into a beautiful world.
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    Jun 15 2013: The outdated Golden Rule needs to be changed: Never treat others as you would like to be treated yourself -- unless they agree to it first --because what is good for you may be damaging for others.

    Just in order to survive the good thinking people have a ton of work to do - firstly, every one of us has to try to develop our minds and mentality, and understand that our technology only indicates how mindlessly needy and immensely lost our undeveloped bodies and minds are. Technology is unable to fix these things, it is only about crotch walking.

    Who trusts technology, dreams, who learns to sense and wisely interact with the nature's given world, awakes. I'm trying to build a unique futuristic community to explore and nurture new mentality. I want to build this place for practicing alternative ethical, economic, and educational concepts and solutions based on precious old tradition and wisdom, innovative ideas and advanced research. This community is designed to respect natural environment and serve individuals, not to brainlessly control masses. Sustainable, means flexible systems, are designed to support highly diverse micro-economy, and inspire denizens to be as thoughtfully creative as they can be.. I want to believe that it is Not Utopia.
    Thank you so much for reading, Robert! I really appreciate it. Vera Nova

    “Come friends, it's not too late to seek a newer world.”
    ― Alfred Tennyson
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    Jun 15 2013: We shall learn this basic law of nature: "The shoe that fits one person pinches another; there is no recipe for living that suits all cases."
    Carl Jung
    • Jun 15 2013: agreed. everyone is different and has different views on what make them happy and what utopia is.
  • Jun 14 2013: First I must apologize, you see the more I learn the more I cant ever see a utopia ever happening. It's depressing. Really depressing.

    * After really learning about the banking crisis, the way reserve banks work, the massive volatility in the currency markets, and the m.o behind it. The way the IMF and World bank are not there to "help" but rather destroy.

    * Only to then be hit with the NSA and their trouncing of the constitution - and what 'will' happen to the Whistleblower.

    * Then to be hit with Obama has signed more dictatorial "executive orders" than the sum of all presidents before him.

    * Then to he hit with the planned ongoing daily drone attacks, with no end in sight.

    * Realizing that the Afgan war is now over a decade long, again with no end in sight.

    * With GMO's not being labeled so you can make an informed choice, because some corporation buys government influence.

    * Reading that now, not car accidents, not heart attacks, but suicide is America #1 killer.

    I really sorry, I but the only place I can see a utopia ever happening is...in my mind. And maybe that's the very reason for many for the last line item. Maybe we all need to move to Arkansas.
    • Jun 15 2013: You seem to be believing not that utopia can't ever exist, but that it can't exist in America. Not where America is now and where it is going. America is definitely not utopia. And maybe utopia could never exist. But i believe that we can perfect our understanding of utopia and at least try to create it. It would include a lot of comprehending human nature, and creating a society that allows each individual the most help on pursuing their own happiness without obstructing others' and getting the most out of life.
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      Jun 15 2013: Sorry to hear your loss of hope.

      The things you've listed are very discouraging.

      Perhaps there are more ways of looking at the situation.

      The NSA, well in the end, there WAS a whistleblower who brought huge publicity, capitol hill is outraged, and americans get another strong dose of the reality that the government isn't really working for them anymore.

      Maybe this will be the straw.
      Or the next thing will be.
      More people are learning to question what's going on around them. The dissatisfaction is more tangible.

      Maybe right now is the best time to discuss the utopia in your mind and mine and to reevaluate what people think the world should be like and and how it actually is.

      The dream of what it should be is a reminder and guide for where we go from here. I'd love to have a utopia discussion in congress before every session.
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    Jun 13 2013: My utopia is Diana Cammack's. I spend most of my time looking up, dreaming, planning, discussing, the intermediary steps to achieve it.
    A direct democracy system. Solar power and power from continuous microwave catalytic depolymerization which extracts and utilizes the methane and syngas that would result from decomposition of waste anyway, it gives a biochar byproduct which we use to make terra preta to fertilize the cooperative farm which is in the green space between buildings in the city and just enough surrounding land to feed all the people there.

    All humans move to these self sufficient cities and live in comfort in mixed use buildings with a hospital and school and retail. The apartments are interspersed within the vertical farm that is part of the cooperative. Each building's population is dense enough to be able to afford the sports fields and equipment required for them. The same population is dense enough that it makes a subway stop there viable. It's not a kibbutz in that everyone shares their income , they don't have to eat in the collective cafeteria, and the kids are not separated from their parents.

    "It takes a village to raise a child" still applies because they are exposed to the multiple careers, disciplines and hobbies of the numerous residents. Parents no longer have to schedule playdates and organise activities as all you need to do to have friends is open the door and step outside.

    Grandparents no longer have to choose between being a burden on their children and getting professional care at a nursing home and long for their family to take time out to visit them. the hospital downstairs can send nurses up the elevator to help. They don't have to wait to be entertained by volunteers as they can just take the elevator down to the school and volunteer and feel useful and still contribute to society.

    A lot more of it in my head using existing technology, but I'm out of space.
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    Jun 4 2013: Small possible step to consider. The amount of knowlege in a library lacks the tools required to put the knowlege gained to use. For example, Imagine if the government supplied us the tools needed to make solar shingles at every local library rather than tax rebates for the rich. An option to buy DC appliances as well because every time inverted 10% power is lost. Alternative energy sources is very very possible in the near future.