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Mathew Naismith

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A contradiction within itself-New Age Spirituality

I’m back from a two week holiday in the sticks & I’m causing trouble already!!

Is New age spirituality a contradiction within itself when it judges judgment & the ego as being bad, judgment is bad because it’s of being judgmental & the ego is judged as being bad because it’s of desires according to new age spiritualists.

Isn’t judging being judgmental a judgement therefore bad within itself & to judge the ego as being bad isn’t that being judgemental? So are new age spiritualists actually manifesting the so called bad of the world? You have got to wonder because before they became spiritually aware they didn’t have a problem with egos & judgment & a multitude of other things.

Take the following quote that was recently presented on an internet site “The problem is not enjoyment; the problem is attachment”, enjoyment usually represents attachments of some kind as an emotional human being can’t attach itself usually to something that isn’t enjoyable in some way, this would psychologically be impossible.

I could go on with this but the question is, is new age spirituality a contradiction within itself & is it manifesting/adding to the problems in the world?

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    May 10 2013: Hi Mathew,
    I find the labels "new age" and "new psychology" amusing, because some folks would like to say they are giving us "new" ideas, when in fact, most of the supposedly "new" information has been passed down throughout history by sages, gurus, teachers, psychologists, prophets, etc.! I don't really see much that is "new" in these ideas, and it is always good to reinforce information that may be beneficial to us (humans).

    I agree with you that being judgemental is not very usefull. That being said, judgemental seems to be a behavior that some folks do not want to detach from, and it often feeds the ego.

    I agree with you that sometimes when one thinks s/he is more "enlightened" than everyone else, that person may begin to judge and label other folks, which DOES indeed seem to be a contradiction. I do not perceive it to be a contradiction of the teachings, but perhaps a contradiction within certain people who believe they have discovered something new (it may be new for them), and are going to show everyone else how enlightened they are.

    I personally do not perceive the ego as "bad" because it is a part of all of us. I believe the best practice is to understand and recognize the ego for what it is, and be able to function without the ego dominating one's life.
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      May 10 2013: G'day Colleen

      To me, if you don't mind, you seem more like a new age spiritualist than most but hopefully that's not just because you agreed with me on some points.

      Yes I utterly agree there is nothing new about new age spirituality only that more people are making money off it than ever.

      I had a chat to a bloke a while ago who was into Yoga & his wife was a Yoga teacher/instructor, he had no idea that Yoga was of the spiritual, now what is being taught in the new age spiritual workshops? I think a lot of this new age stuff comes from much older spiritual practices but is manipulated to make it look new to make money off of very sadly enough.

      If you take a look at my reply to Greg it tells a story of how egotism helped this little girl. My question is why do new age spiritually aware people demonize a thought concept that goes against their belief system when they are not supposed to be egotistical themselves? Being judgmental can be & often is quite destructive but it obviously has its place like anything else.

      The funny thing is I thought I was a new age spiritualist but thank God I came out of that ideological mode of thought process otherwise I would also be defending new age spirituality to the utter end.

      Reading your last couple of lines yes I would agree fully with you, we live in the ego, I believe as soon as we have decided, at the soul level, to live out a physical life we are of the ego, the funny thing is gurus & alike strip themselves of possessions, egotism & judgment but they are in fact still living out an egotistical life, to a certain extent, by existing in a physical reality but it’s better than actually living by the ego.

      Love
      Mathew
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        May 11 2013: I do not mind what you write Mathew, because what you write is a reflection of YOU, not of me:>)

        You are indeed entertaining, in my humble perception! I tell you clearly and honestly what I think/feel about new age "stuff", and you need to say..."you seem more like a new age spiritualist than most". You are welcome to your opinion Mathew, and it seems like you are labeling and judging, which is amusing, considering this discussion! LOL!

        Here's a little more information....
        My mom taught me most of the good lessons when I was a wee little lass, and she would be over 100 years old if she was still alive. As an adult, I studied, researched, and practiced several religious and philosophical beliefs for many many years, some of which go back hundreds of years.

        Let's see....the "new age" stuff started emerging a few years ago? And when it did, I asked...what the heck is "new" about any of this? Nothing! It was taught a very long time ago. Actually, I believe in a form of reincarnation, so I might have gotten the lessons the very first time around:>)

        I did not say "we live in the ego" Mathew. I wrote..."
        I personally do not perceive the ego as "bad" because it is a part of all of us. I believe the best practice is to understand and recognize the ego for what it is, and be able to function without the ego dominating one's life".

        Are you trying to genuinely have a conversation? Or are you trying to convince all of us that you are "right" about something? It feels like the latter.
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          May 11 2013: G'day Colleen

          Hang on Colleen don't by so defensive, if I write about me I wright about you as we are all connected. I don't separate myself above or below a mass murderer lets say, he is of me as I am of him, in this way there is less conflict on my part plus it's the truth as I see it.

          Colleen as you have said of me, what you write is a reflection of YOU, not of me:>), if you think I'm right & I'm trying to convince you of that that is your own reflection of yourself obviously not mine according to what you have written here.

          If the ego is a apart of us all that is in my mind living the ego, in contrary to egotism, as it's impossible to live in the ego without it being a part of us.

          Love
          Mathew
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        May 11 2013: No defense on my part Mathew. I simply like to clarify in hopes that you may better understand what I am expressing:>)

        I too believe we are all connected. That being said, however, we all may have different thoughts, feelings, ideas, and opinions. So, no, you do not speak for me, and I will clarify if I see that happening......which I did. This is not about putting oneself above or below, as you say. It is to clarify my personal beliefs, I respect your personal beliefs and, it is ok if we do not agree.

        Yes absolutely! What I write is indeed a reflection of me, I take full responsibility for what I write, and when someone tries to manipulate my words to fit his/her own agenda, I will most certainly clarify.

        Regarding the ego.....here is what I wrote:
        "I personally do not perceive the ego as "bad" because it is a part of all of us. I believe the best practice is to understand and recognize the ego for what it is, and be able to function without the ego dominating one's life". Again, it is ok if we do not agree:>)

        Love to you too Mathew:>)
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          May 11 2013: G'day Colleen

          It is good that we can have a debate & disagree without becoming too bitter or narky.

          To use the word Manipulation to me seems very defensive or offensive especially when that wasn’t the case on my part, it is amazing how we can all think so differently but we all make the mistake in thinking everyone else is thinking in the same way as we do, if you think I manipulated that is you not me remember!!

          That isn’t exactly what you wrote Colleen as it’s more like this “I did not say "we live in the ego" Mathew. I wrote..."
          I personally do not perceive the ego as "bad" because it is a part of all of us. I believe the best practice is to understand and recognize the ego for what it is, and be able to function without the ego dominating one's life".

          If you look at this you could call this manipulation as well, it is funny though I also use stronger words than what is necessary at times as I think the majority of us do, we all should be wary of this.

          I was thinking last night I’m doing exactly what I’m supposed to be doing even though at times I don’t like what I am doing as it seems to be teaching people to look at themselves honestly & please don’t take offence as this is in regard to everybody including myself because I am also learning from others.

          We are both spiritually aware as opposed to being a spiritualist but we are both quite feisty in a similar way which is no different to a person who isn’t spiritually aware, I find that interesting.

          Love
          Mathew
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        May 11 2013: Yes Mathew, it is wonderful to have a debate without becoming too "bitter or narky", as you insightfully say:>)

        Sorry the word manipulation seems defensive or offensive to you. Yes, it is amazing how we can all think so differently, and I DO NOT presume that everyone is thinking in the same way. I recognize that people have different thoughts, feelings, ideas, opinions and perspectives, and I respect that Mathew:>)

        Mathew, I copied my statement every single time I tried to clarify for you....here it is again....
        "I personally do not perceive the ego as "bad" because it is a part of all of us. I believe the best practice is to understand and recognize the ego for what it is, and be able to function without the ego dominating one's life".

        That is what I wrote....that is what I copied for you several times now, so to say "That isn’t exactly what you wrote Colleen" seems kind of foolish at this point....don't you think?

        Mathew, you write..."I also use stronger words than what is necessary at times as I think the majority of us do, we all should be wary of this".

        Just to be clear again, I do NOT use stronger words than are necessary. I speak/write simply and clearly.

        I do not label myself "feisty" Mathew, and I don't see why you would want to label and judge me in that way. I am simply clear with communications:>)
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          May 11 2013: G'day Colleen

          I'm utterly bewildered of what you have written here Colleen, that's OK as we all do indeed live by different modes of thought for what ever purpose we have in life.

          Love
          Mathew
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        May 11 2013: Dear Mathew,
        If you are "utterly bewildered" by what I have written, perhaps you could go back and evaluate what YOU have written, because my comment is a very simple response to what YOU have written:>)
        What are you honestly seeking with this conversation?
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          May 12 2013: G'day Colleen

          Your misjudging me again, you are using a lot of higher case words for starters which psychologically represent aggression or annoyance to one extent or another depending on what else is written. With my knowledge of psychology, which I had to learn while working in the welfare arena, I would say your quite annoyed or aggressive & you will read into what ever you want Colleen as you usually do.

          Love
          Mathew
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        May 12 2013: Mathew,
        I have not judged you, nor am I annoyed or aggressive. I am simply responding to your comments, and clarifying, over and over again, what I have clearly written.

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