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How can society become more accepting of people as a whole, instead of the european standard of beauty?

People are mixing more with the passage of time, but with the passage of time western features as the epitome of beauty have also spread (leaving many alienated).

*This question comes after reading a beautiful and compelling short story written by
writer Aliete De Board, titled Immersion:

http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/debodard_06_12/

Here is a comment posted by Khaalidah: ' I once met a Filipino woman who told me that she wanted to look American. Jokingly and sadly I asked if she meant "like me" (African American) and she told me no. When I pressed her to explain what she meant, she told me that she wanted to look more Caucasian.
African American women used to (and some still do) bleach their skin for a lighter complexion.
Asian woman have blepharoplasty to achieve a fold in the upper eyelid.
Women have collagen injections to plump their facees to achieve a younger look. They get botox injections to erase wrinkles.
So many people are trying to achieve and maintain unnatural standards and in the process forget who and what they are. I can't tell you how many women I've heard say they can't remember their hair color.'

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  • May 8 2013: Hi Noel,
    After reading your explanation, I understood your question - the 'European standard of beauty' is namely anything but Caucasian!

    I know what you mean, though. As a 'foreigner' in Europe, I am automatically accepted, because of my pale skin a fair hair. I often hear hurtful, ridiculous racist comments about 'foreigners', when those same individuals seem to forget that I am belong to the category they are criticizing - I just don't look that way. Absurd as it is, racism is still alive and well in the European community, and with the recession in full force, nationalism only seems to be increasing.

    So your question is, basically, why can't we all just accept each other for how we look, regardless of where we are in the world? That, my friend, is the million dollar question I wish I had the answer to!
    A change in this mentality begins, I feel, with children - educating our kids to know that differences make no difference at all is essential. Changing the world begins at home.
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    May 9 2013: Noel, I think we should note that in the story of the Filipino woman said American-Caucasian, and not European-Caucasian.
    By saying “American” she in fact saying; that the look she desires it is a blend of all nationalities, including her own.
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    May 9 2013: history disagrees with the current standard of beauty...many different ways of being beautiful has be admired> In the classrom.only one way of looking into history is popular...the linear narrative full of men and war...excluding the bankers who financed war, the politicians who threatened historic outcomes,religions slaying their competitors ...and so few know the history of beauty and our current behaviour is heavily edited narrative for the marketing worlds benefit and self esteem damaging fallout on almost every girl..Im am a hairdresser...i see self disgust all day long,I see men manipulating this factor to their advantage,,ect ect..In antiquity BLACKWOMEN where seen as extroidinarily beautiful before racism was invented YES I said it...paintings exhibited black culture in silk robes in numerous paintings,blackmaddonas,ect. The European style of dress with the huge back bustle is an attempt to copy the backsides of african women,,,,When we learn little slices of history which exclude the human experience we conclude history was unintelligent or primitive...if you learn the history of humans..not WARS you will see the spirit of beauty and yearning and effort that pulses through all races and the beauty of the women who birthed al of mankind
    • May 13 2013: "The European style of dress with the huge back bustle is an attempt to copy the backsides of african women"

      I'm afraid this isn't true. The bustle was born out of the huge skirts that were popular before it. When the large skirt started to fade out of fashion, many people could not afford to simply go out and buy whole new wardrobes, so all that fabric was gathered up and became the 'bustle'. Later dresses were deliberately made to have the bustle shape, but it started just a place to put the excess fabric.

      Obviously fashion has quite often sought to either accentuate or "create" a body feature that has come into style - whether it be large bust, tiny waist, tiny feet, or large behind - but there is no evidence that the bustle was specifically to mimic *African* features. Despite what seems to be your assertion, there are many, many African women who do not have large behinds, who are very tall and slender.


      In many cultures, paler skin was (and is) equated with wealth because if you were rich enough not to work in the fields, your skin was naturally lighter. Today, people with very white skin tan to turn darker, as this is seen as more beautiful.

      Being plump also used to be equated with not just wealth, but health. If you were rich enough to eat well, you were likely to be healthier and plumper. Today, being slim is equated with being healthy.

      Beauty does change through the generations and across cultures. I think the real danger of the "beauty industry" today isn't that it sets a standard, but that it has in fact set an unreal standard. Models aren't even 'good enough', and their pictures are edited, touched up, smoothed out, and altered until the person in the picture is not a person who actually exists.

      The problem with the standards of beauty today is they are no longer seen as simply epitomes of beauty to be enjoyed, but that they are rulers to which women and yes, sometimes men, are actually held up to and judged. Individualism is lost.
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    May 9 2013: ."Society can ..." by this way:
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    Beauty is a kind of happiness.
    Happiness is the feeling of things being a-step-better
    for keeping our DNA alive.

    Happiness falls into valid and invalid ones.
    So, does beauty.

    Thus, the beauty of "American" face to a Filipino has to be invalid,
    and so on.


    Wrong?
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    May 9 2013: "A blonde had a typo on her computer so went looking for an eraser." Beauty truly is only skin deep. (I know, old and bad joke.)
  • May 8 2013: My best guess:

    Nothing sells like success. People who consider Caucasians as being more successful will want to look like Caucasians.

    As the economies of China and India grow and their people are seen as more successful, opinions about Caucasian appearance will change.

    By the way, the most beautiful woman I have ever seen had parents who were Japanese and Irish.
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    May 8 2013: It doesn't, it shouldn't and it won't.

    There is a pervasive belief in modern society that the world owes each of us a living.

    The real issue here is what people can do to accept themselves. Being yourself without apology is the best way to flip the bird at this mean old world.
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    May 8 2013: Nice to meet you Noel Rojo! :D
    On the subject of "Beauty" have you heard of the "Golden ratio" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio), because apparently we find things beautiful due to symmetry, and various other things.
    The evidence suggests across cultures all humans have found to find things which conform to the Golden ratio of beauty:
    http://www.goldennumber.net/beauty/
    I think we are struggling with all here, is how the "origins" of something influences your experience of "beauty", and that many people view that proximity is the key to beauty. For instance, many people may want to conform to what is "fashionable" right now. Yet as Bernard Shaw once said : "Fashion is the only thing so ugly, it has to change its face every few months" (I was kind of paraphrasing, so I apologize if I got the quote slightly wrong!).
    I believe "fashion" and "beauty" are two completely different things.
    I mean to change people's perception of what is "fashionable" is quite easy! All you have to do is create a different set of norms to desire.
    Hope this helped! :P
    Thanks,
    Bernard.
    Here is another great TED Talk on this matter of "Beauty" :
    Denis Dutton: A Darwinian theory of beauty :
    http://www.ted.com/talks/denis_dutton_a_darwinian_theory_of_beauty.html
    Hope I got all my facts right!
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    May 8 2013: asians want to look like europeans
    europeans find asians more attractive
    silliness has so many forms
    btw once i was told by a caucasian friend that asian-black mix is nonexistent, but if it existed, it would be awful. i presented her this picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tyson_Beckford.jpg and she was converted right away.
    • May 8 2013: Yeah, I knew a pro soccer player in Japan whose dad was African and his mom was Japanese. Pretty awesome guy.
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    May 8 2013: If by European standards of beauty you mean Caucasian, I am not sure there is such a universally held preference. For example, I have never thought fair skin is prettiest.
  • May 8 2013: You haven't talked about society - you have talked about self-evaluation. Godspeed - Maybe this observation will help.