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Could a few of us get some help with an overwhelmingly big idea? We call it the Co-opernation. We could also use help naming things.

My beloved and I would often get frustrated watching TED talks, seeing all these lovely, brilliant ideas that we were afraid would never happen in the real world, even though they made more sense than what we saw around us.

When she passed away, a few of us started working on an idea she inspired.

The idea was to stop fighting AGAINST anything and to simply use every single tool at our disposal to make a better place for the people we loved. We looked in a lot of right places and even more wrong ones, focused on seeing tools as what they were rather than what they were used for, and a strange question presented itself.

Would it be possible to take the framework of a corporation, like a Valve or Mondragon, insert a whole bunch of other people's amazing ideas and basically, turn corporate campuses into charter cities? Could we free people to simply help other people and remove most of the worries society has created? If we do this right could we hire anybody who wants to be a good person and contribute to the greater good and instantly free them from the current messes we're in?

So, we found our 'yes' answer pretty early (mostly standing on the shoulders of giants who hate each other), but it was a scary revolutionary confrontational thing and somehow that just felt WRONG. So we dedicated ourselves to making it gentle, harmless, hilarious, and non-threatening, and we're pretty much there.

And now we need help! We're shy, but since TED really is the biggest source we have, we want to start here. Our hope is to get some help organizing us, getting this idea out there and into some better hands so it can grow and get even better, then we can hopefully crowdsource a mellow revolution.

If anybody could point us in the right direction it'd be great!

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    May 28 2013: ROFL.......................This thread is a have us on joke!...........right?
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      May 29 2013: This thread was an attempt to learn to and get help communicating a challenging concept.

      While it requires some effort to digest, and can be agonizing to communicate, it's been worth it to try and as stated in response to you and others there has been some value there. As also mentioned, we've also gained a bit more resources and energy in order to get an easier-to-understand version out there, which was stated early enough (i.e. the first post)

      Luckily, even failures in communication can be educational. People who have no interest in trying or in responding with well thought out reasoning to counter-points probably won't be terribly useful at any point as that trait is a drag on personal progress, but you've managed to give me an idea or two.
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      May 29 2013: Blade Runner, I have no doubt from having read through most of this thread that William is entirely sincere in his project. He simply has trouble articulating what he wants to do, and he admits this. As he noted early on, he is in the early stages of bereavement after the death of his partner.

      I expect that when he is ready to propose his project to potential participants or to sources of start-up funding, he will bring someone into the team who is good at cutting through to the essence of things and who has strength in presenting proposals in a clear and jargon-free way.

      I know I will be interested in seeing the proposal at that time, because I suspect it is not actually very complicated. We will have to see and I hope William shares a draft here once it has been developed.
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        May 29 2013: Well Fritzie........suggest the road to nowhere (or is that hell) is littered with sincerity and good intent.

        Further suggest even Time Traveller would have to now concede its been nothing but a long winded rambling,waffling talk fest, with bugger all semblance of any structure or business plan having come into existence that any bank or venture capitalist would lend 2 cents on/to.

        Cheers..............
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          May 29 2013: There is no doubt that many projects undertaken with sincerity go nowhere for a variety of reasons, including failures of concept or of implementation.

          I took your question seriously when you asked whether it is a "have on us joke." It isn't. It is just in a much earlier stage of development, perhaps, than I think many readers assumed at the outset of the thread.
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          May 30 2013: I had not realized TED was exclusively for business proposals.

          This is about solving a problem and exploiting an opportunity.
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        May 30 2013: I'm sorry, Fritzie, this may be my fault.

        To add to the story, the mother of my eldest child (who is an adult now!) has some. . . issues. I ended up with full custody at 21, and she got stuck with a grudge that, to be fair, was unfair to neither of us. She handled it horribly, but to be fair she suffered more before then I can imagine even now, she's another symptom of society's ills and a helpful, if excessively traumatic lesson. And It's not like I was always awesome or anything. I never disparaged her to her daughter, but there were plenty of times I just wanted her to go away.

        I don't know why she kicked things into high gear like she did after Rebecca passed away, but let's just say there's been a newfound tenacity, and laws only cover some of the ways a motivated, creative person can mess with somebody else.

        And of course people do move on in life, and how was she supposed to explain why her daughter lived with somebody else and wanted little to do with her? She's not the only one to follow the 'this evil person did it' approach, so I get to deal with her and a small peanut gallery of people who very well may be well intentioned but nonetheless have chosen a side.

        A couple of common trends. . . making accounts (sometimes multiples with fake identities) just as I start getting social, aggressively hounding people who try to help me and avoiding responding to certain types of questions, and strange identities that don't entirely make sense have been par for the course in random bursts.

        And that writing style is. . . oh so very familiar.

        It might not be true! But if so I'm sincerely sorry, it's never my intent to bring that chaos into other peoples' worlds and I always feel awful when that sort of thing happens.
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        May 30 2013: I firmly believe it doesn't have to be nearly as complicated as it is. Heck, there are cultures that have far better fundamentals than we do, and they got there without the benefits of our vaunted technology. http://www.peacefulsocieties.org

        And those guys should be our low bar, not the high one.

        There are hordes of single mothers who've undergone suffering that I can barely think about them without experience a degree of nausea, and similarly, most of it is caused by very, very poor upbringing and a society that creates confrontations where they don't belong and is far more focused on finding a party to blame than on actually solving problems.

        And yes, all of this is factored in, HAS to be factored in once you start talking scale like this. We are really, really societally broken, with layers upon layers of contextual flaws and misinformation that people are acting on, creating more problems, and so on.

        It'd be irresponsible to go this far down the design process without focusing on not just personal suffering, but the things that made her the person she was, the things that made the people who . . . did the things they did to her. . . who they were, and so on.

        It's complicated because it's MADE complicated, not because it should be.

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