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One world mind

Throughout all of time one thing very prevalent in our evolution is our want and desire to connect faster and more efficiently to each other. As we continue this path will it eventually lead to a connection of our brains themselves? would our selfishness for individuality keep us from hooking our own brains to the rest of the world as a whole? or would we realize that it would eliminate violence, corruption, greed, selfishness, lying, cheating, stealing, organized religions, war, nationalism, irrationality and with ALL individuals being unintelligent. Would we give up our own individuality in order to become one with everyone? to become one mind with many bodies??

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    May 2 2013: Absolutely not. Never. Then, on the other hand, it's already happening: First, the fear and angst; then 'the embedded chip'; then one currency; then one gov't; then you're either a citizen or an outcast; then the outcasts are eliminated; then we're all the same, thinking the same, with no individuality; then a crisis comes beyond the ability of our now 'oneness', with no diversity, no alternate view; then we die. 'Oneness' is poison. 'Oneness' is weak. 'Oneness' is crawling under the covers hoping it will all go away. We're not a 'melting pot' but a salad bowl, each offering our own distinct 'flavor' to enhance the meal, brought in from different farms, different lands, different ways of cultivating. Without what each uniqueness has to offer the meal is bland, tasteless, useless, without nutrition, and no one wants it - especially me.
    • May 3 2013: No your thinking of this as a bad thing just because we'd all be the same doesn't make us less diverse or weak in fact it's the opposite. Individuality is weak and cause unfathonable amounts of pain to our species. If we were of one mind we'd be stronger more efficient more compassionate than ever before. We wouldn't kill the people that don't join this one mind we would just let them die off in thier own time. A one world mind means we are immortal and have the knowledge and compassion of a whole species into one force. You are selfish of individuality thinking it is diverse or more superior somehow? the only reason it could be better is more minds to think creatively. But a single mind with the whole knowledge of the human race would be WAY WAY more creative and better than many individual minds in every single way. What is better one genius or many handicapped people?
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        May 3 2013: Charles, I don't know where to begin. We are from different realities. I wonder why democracies and free markets of trade are most successful with the greatest diversity, and why most other 'closed' societies are adapting more freedoms and inter-cultural exchanges? Can't be because diversity is good. I wonder why nature abhors relations between close relatives? Can't be because it seeks diversity. No, it's all just because of the need to cause pain. And thank you for allowing me to die off on my own time - very generous. So many other 'one way' philosophies have chosen to annihilate the non-believers, Also, good luck with that immortality part.
        • May 3 2013: They aren't good because of diversity they are good because they are tightly connected and it is quick and easy to pass information to each other within the system. Because in a sense i agree with you in that a society cut off from the rest of the world gets lost in their own time North korea is a perfect example. But you can't say a society where it's encompassing the species as a whole can't be diverse. It has the minds and ideas of everyone together it just means they can transmit information faster than you can even think within your own brain (as this would be a highly advanced brain which is better than ours now)

          And for the immortality part it's absolutely true if you right now at this instant put everything in your brain into a computer you would essentially become immortal not as your bodies individuality but everything you know and believe in would survive as long as that computer did (which could be thousands of years).
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    May 2 2013: Communism of the mind. I don't like it. I believe the concept of one mind should apply to the shared similarities in goals, moral value and peace-seeking. We're not born joined at the hip, we shouldn't be.
    • May 2 2013: yes, but we are very selfish of our own body and ego of self. You are using a negative term to describe something beautiful this would mean you are the world greatest artist greatest scientist all in one we would no longer kill fellow humans but all work together to one goal, improvement.
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        May 2 2013: I like the way you think - very positive and hopeful. We would hope that everyone in the world held such a disposition - I suppose I fear that because we are not yet able to turn the TV news station on without viewing violence and corrupt nature in our fellow human beings, I fear the idea of a lack of self - a self in which you are able to promote your own (and thereby assist others) in promoting morality, education, hope, etc.
        • May 2 2013: and we will never be able to do that as the individuals we are. With everyone being the same self improvement would be the exact same as improvement of our species as a whole. The only problem that i can see that could arise with this is the people with "bad" morals could affect everyone else as the mind as a whole. But i believe those morals are due to irrationalities that would be fixed with a large amount of unbiased information mixed with their morals making us good as a whole.
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          May 2 2013: Kendl, do not give in. Someone is with you. This idea is a drug, in my opinion. The 'self' is all we have to offer. Please see comment above.
        • May 3 2013: Give in? like i'm trying to indoctrinate her or something? It isn't a drug individuality is a drug the thought that we are special and the world is made for you and the universe revolves around us, all of these are on the same level. Individuality breeds selfishness which in turn makes greed which in turn produces violence. Would you really be so selfish as to turn down all the world as one mind and know that if you did join it all of those things i said WOULD disappear. As would you bite your own finger off? I truly believe this is what god is like one mind truly and utterly compassionate with the knowledge of trillions of minds all working together. And in a way aren't we already a one world mind? Internet, UN, cellphones and the united states government all of these have the idea of combining minds into one force and it has been proven a billion times over that together we are stronger and can keep the irrationalities of individuals to a minimum .
  • May 2 2013: oh,I think the world would be so dull if it were going the way:One world mind.:)
    • May 2 2013: why's that? not only would you be the worlds greatest artist, philosopher, but also be able to build the HC in your back yard is that really boring?
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    • May 4 2013: I wasn't trying to be rude with my first response i really liked your idea and wondered if it could be true. Now your response to that made it seem as you were offended somehow by me thinking of your idea as a possibility instead of just magic.
  • May 4 2013: I do self-hypnosis I've heard hypnotists say the same. But that doesn't make it fake. The placebo effect is real. It is amazing how well some placebos work. Jung is not inconsiquential nor was Milton Ericson. I am neither saying pro nor con, but i just can't blow it off completely. Then there are other similiar arguments. Einstein said religion is not for nothing.Maybe we are talking about different things, and we can go many different ways with this Curt. Godspeed.
    • May 4 2013: That does make it fake it isn't the hypnosis it's placebo so it's fake. Yes the placebo effect does do something but you can do the same thing if you just trick your mind.
      • May 5 2013: Curt trick your mind if it works -It is your mind, isn't it. You wouldn't have told me that if you expected me to believe that. Godspeed.
        • May 5 2013: well you trick your mind in many various netgods and hypnosis would be one of them.
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    May 3 2013: To Curt:

    I like the line "God made you special and he loves you very much"

    That being said...are you attributing your concept of idealism and "one mind" with the statement made by Jesus Christ in the Bible? (I noticed you mentioned God and evolution as leading us towards unity)

    What do you mean by one mind? Do we all think the same exact thoughts? Would there be plurality in these thoughts? I don't understand this concept, unless you are considering that we are in fact individual bodies and not one entity (we must respect that God made the earth and formed man in this manner); now, one mind - do we all shower in our respective homes at the same time? Or, do we all have the common decency to respect each other in every way possible and obey the law? If we did not have individuality, where is there room for improvement in species? Genetic mutation often improves or declines a species - what about illness? Are we all to be of one sick mind? It sounds like you are considering a Utopian society in this sense, which would be completely doable in our current nature, as in we each have a body of our own to love and allow God to love, yet we all understand and appreciate the importance of morality, positive influence on one another and God's structure of the world, everchanging as we do see it to be.
    • May 3 2013: I never said God makes us more unified if anything organized religion does the exact opposite. So the beginning of the problem here is you believe in organized religion. This one mind system would bring all religions together with every bit of information out there and i believe when that happens we would realize how false organized religions are and they would simply disappear and become a part of history. And you are still thinking that this would be many individuals with the knowledge of all but it wouldn't be that we would be one person united in thought and morality. We would not only respect our fellow bodies but love them as we love ourselves compassion would be rampant. Also at this state evolution would probably be a thing of the past and we would make and alter our own future of evolution. Also how does a mind get sick? you mean like mental disorders?? because those would be eradicated as people with those problems are simply misinformed. Your idea of Jesus christ making us "special" is on the same lines of the earth being made for us, us being in the center of the universe that revolves around us. We are selfish in this sense but the truth is we are just as special in the same way every wave an snowflake is different and unique. We really are not special and that idea is from us not wanting to accept the fact that we are not something the universe has been waiting for. To the universe we are as special as the earthworms beneath our feet.
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    May 3 2013: A provocative concept Mr. Curt. Your first premise is debatable. "Throughout all of time one thing very prevalent in our evolution is our want and desire to connect faster and more efficiently to each other. " Many of the global conflicts past, present, and future, are the result of the very opposite of this premise. Communists do not want to connect faster and more efficiently with Free Market Capitalists. The same is true for White Supremicists and Blacks, or Yankees & Red Sox fans, Liberals & Conservatives, Islamics & Jews, etc. etc. You are correct that the eradication of ANY AND ALL differences between any of the 7-billion individuals on Earth would eliminate conflict. It would also eliminate every joy in life by way of collateral damage. No, no, a thousand times no! Thank you!
    • May 3 2013: Again the reason these people and groups don't connect with each other and even push each other away is because of their selfish individuality that make them fight over various issues. If we had one one mind those problems you mentioned would disappear. As for the removal of joy i don't get that? why would joy be removed, joy is triggered from many many different things. If we were all the same our joy would be from technological innovations and the advancement of our species. Yes you get some joy you get from individuality but A lot of it has nothing to do with that. you get joy from self fulfilment and inward enlightenment along with other major material things. Imagine the joy the entire worlds population being happy with something. That joy would be more than any individual could ever experience as our species as a whole would expirience it and that would be unimaginably beautiful.
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        May 3 2013: Charles, you support your idea with the assumption that all these adversarial groups I mentioned have some "want and desire to connect faster and more efficiently". That is NOT true. Perhaps they should have such a desire, and perhaps you have an idea that would make it possible, but the way things are now and always have been clearly show that your assumption is NOT true. You are building on sand, sir.
        • May 3 2013: ALL humans have the deep want to connect to others even those who are introverts it is deep rooted in our biology. And the truth is as long as people have nothing to fight over we get along it is prevalent in all of history. And yes i agree with you in the respect that humans now are selfish immoral and would never sacrifice their own mind for a mind as a while. But to say this can and will not happen is impossible to say we WILL have this choice in our future of either staying as a race of individuals or a race as a whole. The truth is this issue will not be a problem for us until far into the future but to say it will never become an issue is like saying we will never become more technologically advanced as we are at this point in time which is simply false.
        • May 3 2013: also, I don't get how I am "building on sand" I don't want an argument on the the argument I want people to think of this future issue as our generation will never experience this.
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        May 3 2013: RE: "all humans have the deep. . . ". Ah well, Charles. You can continue to chalk-up tension between all the groups I mentioned as being due to introverted personalities, but I cannot disagree more. You say such belief is a strong foundation for your idea for the betterment of future generations, and I applaud you for your motive, but I wish you would re-examine the strength of that fundamental premise. All the best in your noble pursuit young man. Do not be discouraged.
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    • May 3 2013: Love this! it's fantastically insane haha. But as a reality think of the truth here the only way it could be true is our first dna ancestor was an alien cell brought here by an asteroid. Meaning it was in its genetics to run from the sun because the alien cell knew of this. But the only cell possible of planspermia are the extrema cells that can survive almost anything. But they are Extremely simple and there is no way those simple cells could get onto an asteroid and fly to this planet unless a "god" alien race sent it here for literally no reason.
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        • May 4 2013: I'm not a myth builder i was taking your insane idea and wondered if it could ever be real. Also i have literally no idea what you meant by the other 3/4 of your paragraph Are you saying you believe in human psychic abilities?
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    May 2 2013: I think of a "one world mind" as something that emerges out of many individual minds, much as an ant colony emerges out of ants, only much more so. I don't think that means being like a borg though, at least not any more than we are now. (I could start to think of many ways in which we *already are* like the borg.) I think a world mind is very different in nature to our own minds.

    I think of it more like whether a world-wide culture could develop, out of which self-consciousness might emerge (or maybe already has for all I know). We might be completely unaware of such a mind.

    But I think your question talked about a more hard-wired connection with our brains. Looking at a one world mind as a sort of parallel processing system with our brains acting as individual nodes, I don't think that is where we are headed as a species. However, I do think we have to be careful about the potential to abuse such connections into the brain. I look at that is not different in kind from propaganda, brain washing, marketing, and other methods of influence and control - only much more powerful.

    Sometimes our government, society, and culture seem to me like living things, similar to a one world mind - battle of the memes and all that. These things survive the death of individuals and last thousands of years.
    • May 3 2013: Great comment! yes a one world mind could be like ants but, I'm thinking more of all minds being connected into one system making everyone one person so our whole species would one.
    • May 3 2013: oh an i actually like that idea of allowing people to connect and disconnect to this system. But the truth is people would like the feeling of knowing everything instead of being one unintelligent mind. I think in the beginning we would have individual nodes but as it progressed we would simply stay in the system and never leave.
  • May 2 2013: I just think it's funny that organized religion is lumped in with cheating, stealing, and war.
    • May 2 2013: why? religion is a major cause of all of those and with everyone having the knowledge and know how they wouldn't believe in set religious organizations
      • May 2 2013: I think if you'll look closely at history you'll find that in most of the cases where religion was involved in those, it wasn't actually religion but religion being used as an excuse by politics, greed, and corrupt leaders. There are plenty of corrupt and evil religions in the past. There are also plenty of corrupt and evil governments in the past. Lots of people say "Therefore, all religion is evil" but no one says "Therefore, all government is evil" for some reason. Now why is that?
        • May 2 2013: i didn't say all of them but inquisition is a good example of it but also the fall of rome and many other killings it may have been political but that still doesn't get around the fact that if the religious base wasn't there it wouldn't have happened
  • May 2 2013: See Armand Mcgill's book on Mysticism and Magic in india. Also, you may be advocating mere gnostic thought. What about the stoic concept of the Cosmos?
    • May 2 2013: i'm talking of science not magic we have already connected to brains of mice not humans yes but it's genesis
      • May 3 2013: Okay Charles maybe I am being naive but this man who lived to be very old was one of the World's most famous hypnotists. Whether this connection really existed I don't know I just thought a comment about distance knowing that used to exist was interesting and almost Jungian.
        • May 3 2013: hypnotism has been proven to be fake. The only way it ever works is the person being "hypnotized" has a placebo effect but it's truly all in their own head. Humans have no super powers anyone who says different you will see only wants something from you.
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    May 2 2013: Like the Borg?

    What did the Buddhist monk say to hot dog vendor?

    Make me one with everything.
    • May 2 2013: ummm i guess? never knew that's the borg's thing but it wouldn't be like that you would have the knowledge of everyone from the greatest scientist to the greatest artist you could paint a picture of all the artist mind into one painting this wouldn't be a bad thing it would be one step closer to becoming god
      • May 2 2013: Charles.
        How could you paint the greatest painting? Others could do the same so it wouldn't be different nor the greatest.
        Only the greatest stands out from the rest.
        And there would be no real reason to do so.
        All the same of one mind, sounds very boring to me and is not unlike what the powers that now be, are trying to achieve or create in their own way. To some degree.
        Everyone think the same, believe the same, act the same and speak the same.
        Basically, with your idea everyone is the same and there really is no distinction nor could there be.

        And by the way, I really don't believe that individuality is the cause of your short list of " violence, corruption, greed, selfishness, lying, cheating, stealing, organized religions, war, nationalism, irrationality" and so on.

        There are other causes and they are never dealt with. People are constantly being misled into looking at other false reasons and causes for these ills because those that profit off of them do not want them solved. These by the way, are the people most vote for, believe in and trust. Pity.
        • May 2 2013: you are still thinking that all of our bodies are individuals. We would all be one person how that's boring i do not know we would solve world hunger as the people starving would fix it you could be in a spaceship going to mars but also in france painting the eiffel tower. And the motivation for the greatest people is not to stand out but to be the best and improve we would improve on a massive scale.

          and yes it would solve ALL those problems and more. The simple way to prove it is to ask, would you bite off your own finger?

          people are misled by individuals if you were one person with the entire knowledge of the human race none of those problems would occur
  • May 2 2013: IF we evolved to that point, it would not be of one mind, it would be basically identical to the internet. This ability would be immensely valuable to the scientific community though
    • May 2 2013: no it wouldn't be like the internet because if we were one brain we would be one person