Vajresh Balaji

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What came first the hen or the egg ?

This is a very old trick question which has numerous ways of anwering. What came first, the hen or egg?. Let us debate on this.

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We have debated on the question " Which came first - The Hen or the Egg ?" There were points referring to DNA Mutations, Evolution like Humans and apes and many more. We came to a conclusion and also a video was referenced here And the answer is Hen ! But where exactly did that hen come from ? The question remains....

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    Apr 26 2013: "Prior to that first true chicken zygote, there were only non-chickens. The zygote cell is the only place where DNA mutations could produce a new animal, and the zygote cell is housed in the chicken's egg. So, the egg must have come first."
    • Apr 26 2013: This is the answer. I always wondered why no one ever made the connection with evolution. Before chickens as we know them to be existed, they were different animals. Evolution, time and the changing environment, forced the chicken's ancestor's genes and DNA to mutate into what we are familiar with as being chickens.

      Basically, a now extinct bird like animal gave birth to the first chicken via an egg. So yes, by using logic and proven science it's safe to say that the egg came first.
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        Apr 26 2013: They say dinosaurs (T Rex) were related to chickens
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    Apr 25 2013: .
    What came first the hen or the egg ?
    the dinosaur
  • Apr 26 2013: Concurring opinion with the egg guys.
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    Apr 26 2013: The specific chicken came from an egg laid by its mother.

    To consider this from a different evolutionary perspective you also need to define egg in this case. A human egg is different to a chicken egg.

    You also need to define what you consider a hen or chicken.

    Go back far enough I guess and sexual reproduction developed over time. At some point you would have something you would call an egg involved. At some point further back you would have something clearly not an egg (depending on your definition) and a grey transition area in the middle.

    You also have the evolution of chickens. Go back far enough and the ancestors of current chicken species could not reproduce with current chickens, they probably laid eggs. An egg laying chicken did not suddenly appear by magic.
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      Apr 26 2013: The hen and chicken considered here is the "hen" and "chicken" that we see now. The egg is considered to be a "chicken" egg. If you say that a specific chicken came from an egg laid by its other. Where did the mother come from - an egg laid by its mother, where did she come from and so on ?
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        Apr 26 2013: If you understand evolution it is pretty straight forward.
  • Apr 26 2013: To be honest, I highly doubt that an animal the size of T-rex could evolve into such a smaller creature, but hey what do I know, I'm just a guy on the internet. I think that the chicken and the T-Rex might have a common ancestor, much like humans and apes.
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    Apr 25 2013: A chicken and an egg were both sitting in bed and the chicken was enjoying a post-coital cigarette. The chicken takes a deep puff and casually turns to the egg and says: "Well that solves that old question.."
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    Apr 25 2013: What came first the hen, rooster or egg?
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    Apr 25 2013: The Hen.

    Genesis 1:24-25 (NIV)
    And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. [25] God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

    All creatures; +man; were made fully mature & ready to go. They were made as different kinds, & remain so to this day, with adaption within these original kinds, but still with clear boundaries. Many of these kinds are now extinct, & more go extinct each year. The egg would have come shortly after the hen.

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      Apr 26 2013: Hi peter, what is the definition of kind.
      How do you distinguish between kinds.
      Is there a list of kinds.

      I guess appearance is a big part. Perhaps some assumed decent.
      Is a wolf of dog kind?
      What about hyenas? Dog kind or some other kind.

      How do you know god didnt make an egg ready to hatch?
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        Apr 26 2013: Hi Obey.
        I suspect we have been over this before; but for new folks, here goes....

        When we look at kinds of animals today the main common denominator is the ability to interbreed & have fertile offspring. Otherwise that particular animal would go extinct. Now because of mutations & such, it happens that some groups of animals within a kind lose the ability to breed successfully with their peers. So the picture gets a bit hazy, as they are still the same kind, but no longer share the common denominator. Don't know if wolves, dogs, & hyenas can interbreed, but a child running for a bus can tell they are the same kind.

        Ok, so at the start, kinds of creatures had the ability to breed successfully and diversified within their kind due to natural selection to give the tabby - tiger type spread.

        God didn't make the egg ready to hatch because the whole system was up & running in 6 days; trees, animals, fish, birds, the lot.