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Do your feelings matter?

If we know 1+1=2....and you feel like it equals 3....should we teach children based on your view of the equation or the factual data?

If you think something...does that make it appropriate for everyone?

What if you are wrong?

Do you question your beliefs....or do they serve as inert values?

We absorb data from various sources. We will call that data, in this context, raw data. The raw data has no meaning before translation.

Once we receive data it is processed through filters in our brain. Those filters apply the logic we intend to use.

(DATA SET) ---------- > {FILTER(DATA SET)} -Conclusion-

We have two types of filters.

(IMPULSIVE) (REASONING)

Our impulse filters have much to do with non-cognitive functioning. (REASON) or cognitive functioning is defined by existing filters.

Let's say your racist.

(DATA SET) --------- >(RACIST FILTER) ----------> (CONCLUSION)

Notice that this (RACIST FILTER) is vague. The actual filter network would be comprised of many different filters working together. I am just calling it the (RACIST FILTER) for now to save time.

The problem with this sort of emotional filter is it bases all reason on subjective data or subjective filters. These aren't filters created by facts or research. They are fabricated direct programming or false information. False information can construct filters that manipulate "raw data" and change it into "subjective data". Subjective data isn't always bad. However, if your view on something impacts another person's life....or another person's daily functions you may want to ensure it's accurate.

Do your emotions matter? Are they based on facts or programmed filters that need to be audited?

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    Apr 25 2013: The context matters. Feelings do not come into play in whether one carrot plus one carrot makes two carrots or whether my snoring beast at the foot of my stool is a dog.

    However, when I am a teacher in front of a classroom with the mission of making the time with my students an excellent experience for them, I use insight grounded in emotion to judge how they will experience what we are doing and to convey what I need to most effectively for them.

    So, yes, they matter. In neuroscience and cognitive psychology the latter example is an illustration of the way we naturally and usefully use a "theory of mind", our way of understanding others, in matters of problem solving in a human context.
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      Apr 25 2013: As a teacher you would use emotion to support factual data. You wouldn't formulate ideas based on emotion. What you are doing as a teacher is taking (DATA) and using emotion as a means of delivery.

      Not really what I am talking about. Thoughts and ideas that come from emotion are not based on data. They are based on constructs that may or may not be supported by some data.

      I am not attempting to say all emotions are bad. However, I believe many of us embrace ideas that aren't grounded in actual facts. They materialize from pure emotion.

      The funny part is we attempt to support these ideas with information we deem to be factual. However, upon closer inspection we can see this information is obviously unfounded.

      A good example is school bullying. This behavior is not based on reason. The child is not using logic when he or she bullies another child. Emotion drives them to act the way they do.
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        Apr 25 2013: The specific questions you posed early in your query are straight-forward. If I think something, does that make it appropriate for you? Obviously not. People think things that are right, wrong, or matters of taste. Thinking something and knowing something can be different. My favorite pie does not have to be your favorite pie. I may think golf is boring to watch, and you may enjoy watching golf.

        Do people question their beliefs? Not all at the same time, but typically some ideas are tested with new information. People differ in how receptive they are to considering new information in relation to the beliefs they have to date found most compelling.

        I have a feeling there will be little variation in the responses to these parts of your question, but I suppose you shall see.
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          Apr 25 2013: Liking a certain kind of pie is entirely different. This is based on non-cognitive functions (what my taste-buds are programmed to enjoy).

          You don't think about the pie in order to like it. You taste it...and either like it or dislike it.

          Deciding to dislike a pie based on how it looks...would be closer to what I am talking about. You decide, without any real data, that you don't like it. If you tasted it, or audited your non-cognitive impulses, you may actually enjoy the pie.
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        Apr 26 2013: Well, what do you mean by, "If I think something, is it appropriate for everyone?" When you say "appropriate for" it sounds like you are going to matters of preference and choice.
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          Apr 26 2013: If you think something...is that now given value as an idea just because you thought it? Should people be forced to accept your idea just because you are an individual? Or should our ideas conform to a higher standard? Should we not be moving towards a state where ideas hold value because they work?

          I need to spend more time writing these topics in the future. I admit this was written poorly. I appreciate you taking the time to dissect my coded message. :) Next time I will definitely clarify the subject matter.
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        Apr 26 2013: If you have an idea, it is an idea. No one else needs to agree with it or pass it on.

        Some people will think about it and agree. Some will think about it and disagree. Some will recognize it as something that doesn't interest them, or that they don't have the resources to evaluate, and not think about it. Some people will notice it but decide that their time is better spent on other ideas, given that there are more ideas out there than anyone has time to consider.
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          Apr 26 2013: Is there an absolute answer for every question?
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        Apr 26 2013: There is not an absolute answer for everything and there are cases in which adequate data do not exist to resolve which theory is true, even if one actually is true.

        Is the point of your thread basically to make sure everyone realizes that just because someone believes or says something, that doesn't make it true in an objective, universal sense? I think people get this.

        Or is the object to say that people's ideas sometimes arise from emotions and emotional needs rather than from clear thought and consideration of all the actual evidence? I think people get this also, differing in whether they consider emotions a legitimate part of reasoning about situations.
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          Apr 26 2013: I disagree. I believe an absolute does exist for everything. Can you give me an example of a question with no absolute answer?

          I believe emotions create subjective truth. Subjective truth is only true to you. In that sense it is still absolute in relation to your mind-set. However, it is not an absolute for everyone.

          What do I mean?

          Well...let's say you tell me:
          "Henry...I like apple pie...how is that an absolute?"

          Fritzie likes apple pie. That is the absolute here. It is the same for everyone, everywhere....all the time. Fritzie likes apple pie regardless of who I am or where Fritzie is. It is then...an absolute. We can use "Fritzie likes apple pie" as factual data.

          An absolute does still exist. You may just be missing it. I would love to hear your example for a question that does not have an absolute answer.
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        Apr 26 2013: Matters of preference are the immediate example. Best paths that apply to everyone. Many conflicts arise when people do not recognize that their preferred path is not necessarily best for everyone, regardless of how they decided on their preferred path.

        In matters of fact, more conflicts arise in situations in which there are not sufficient facts, or cannot be sufficient facts, to determine which of several options is true.
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          Apr 26 2013: Henry and Fritzie,
          I agree that matters of preference are the immediate example, and perhaps the level of preference impacts what, or what does not apply?

          Fritzie likes apple pie is absolute because we are not attached to what kind of pie Fritzie likes? So we can all accept this as truth.

          When talking about religion for example, many people are attached to what they perceive to be the "right", one and only truth. When someone challenges that attachment with ANOTHER "right", one and only truth, as the preferred path, is when there are sometimes conflicts.

          One's personal religious choice may be an absolute in that person's perception, while another person's religious choice is an absolute in that person's perception.
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          Apr 26 2013: Let's say you like the color blue. It's your favorite color. You wear blue everything.

          Why do you like blue?

          You probably couldn't explain why, for some reason, you enjoy looking at blue all the time.

          (XYblue***KJL)

          This is the blue filter your brain uses for all incoming data.

          (DATA) -----------(XYblue**KJL) ---------(I LIKE IT!)

          (XYblue**KJL) is a filter most likely created by programming. It isn't factual. You don't like blue for any real reason. Your brain filters data and you end up loving the color blue.

          (WOMAN) ------------- (XYsexist**JJJLS**()999) --------- (SEXIST COMMENT)

          Let's think of this as putting light through a crystal.

          LIGHT -------------> (crystal) ------------- PRODUCT

          DATA ------------>(mind-set) ------------ PRODUCT

          Is your (mind-set) structured with absolutes...or is your crystal full of subjective elements that may result in a false image on the other end.

          Let's say you carved an orb inside the crystal. The light being shown through it would be impacted each and every time you put light through it.

          LIGHT -------------- (crystal(orb)) ------------- PRODUCT

          DATA ---------------(mind-set)filters)) ------------- Subjective Truth
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          Apr 26 2013: Henry,
          I believe that our mind-set is structured with BOTH absolutes, AND subjective elements.
          Whether we, as individuals consider information absolute, or subjective depends on our worldview. We can change our worldview with awareness of the information we have, and I believe our attachment to certain information as absolute impacts what the end result might be.
          Our worldview impacts what information we choose to recognize, and the information we choose to recognize impacts our worldview?

          I like the color blue because I have blue eyes, and perhaps I am seeing everything through my own eyes!!! Funny.....and......maybe absolute:>)

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