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Why do people just believe everything the meat and dairy industries tell them, why are people sheeple, and refuse to learn the truth?

Why do people refuse to look into their food choices, refuse to consider animal rights and refuse to accept information that can cure illness such as diabetes and oesteoporosis and cancer ? Do people care about future generations that will have no water if factory farming and dairy continue?

Topics: veganism
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    Apr 26 2013: Maybe we enjoy steak & chips and/or don't buy into the vegan propaganda.
    I have a waterbed 'cause it's really comfy; I eat apricot seeds 'cause I am persuaded it wards off cancer; I am installing a composting loo 'cause I can't get my septic tank to work. I've also got a Jag & a Harley & I do church three times a week. All these things are my personal choices, that's why life is so good. Perhaps you think my choices are dumb, but they were made after due consideration of the facts, not from shepherding from the media or anyone else.
    What's important to you just isn't important to me; simple as that.

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      Apr 26 2013: Thanks for your reply, basically you're saying you only just care about yourself and your own choices, thanks for being so honest... I don't think your choices are dumb, just that it would be nice if more people could look into their food choices , and really know about the pain and suffering thats involved in meat production . Talk about "shepherding from media" - thats what all those Maccas, KFC and meat ads are - media shepherding - that's what made me decide to explore ( on my own initiative) into what is really happening with the Earth and the cause of Global warming and the woes of our times- after much reading, widely and by credible researchers, I discovered the production of meat was the biggest cause of pollution and poverty we have today, also illnesses of the West- as I mentioned in the question. Anyway good luck with the composting loo, sounds interesting . :D
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        Apr 27 2013: Just for the record, but off topic. I do care deeply for people. I believe in heaven & hell & do my utmost to persuade folks of the former. I also believe that history has all but run it's course. We can only concentrate our fire in one direction at a time, so, while I sympathise with you on the save the planet scenario, it must take second place to our eternal destination.
        Keep up the good work.
        PS my dad was a butcher; I've been in a slaughter house.

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          Apr 27 2013: Thanks for your reply, tell us a bit of what it was like in the slaughter house - did you see the cows bellowing or distressed as they were led in? Were the other cows waiting reacting or hesitant to enter? What method did they use ? a bolt to the head? Did you see any cows that were slaughtered clumsily? I do feel that eating meat shall effect our eternal destination, but that is another can of worms- cellular memory, karma etc- I do like that you say you care deeply , its just that I care deeply for the animals as well as us - I view us all as Earthlings .... Hope the loo is going good!
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        Apr 28 2013: It was a long time ago, but I do remember that the cattle were stunned by electricity & dispatched with a captive bolt gun in the head. There was a lot of mooing going on, but there always is with cattle. They came into the killing pen one at a time; they were hesitant, as normal, but there was no panic like if they knew what was going on. The next in line couldn't see what was happening .
        Within minutes they were hoisted, gutted, & skinned. All very efficient. I wouldn't like to work there; the whole place smelled of death, those that did seemed happy enough. Years later I did frequent work in an automated fish food factory. It was rank as well, but you get used to it. My brother in law was paid £8000 to keep quiet about what he saw in a bread factory when he retired.
        At the end of the day the cattle wouldn't exist if we didn't need them for food. Maybe a short life & a happy one is the best they can expect.
        I don't buy into the whole evolution business, so have no issues about eating 'relatives'.
        The loo is somewhere in transit between Canada & here (Scotland). There's another issue for you. Millions of miles of pipes, pumps etc., just to get our poop away from our house & dumped in the sea, when it could be growing roses.

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          Apr 29 2013: Hope your loo turns up soon- as for pollution , going vegan is going to help the planet a lot, also cattle really don't exist because they are needed for food- we create the large cattle population - because the meat industry wants to cash up... I want to share with you some info from " But you kill Ants" - its about an experience in the slaughter house , just so you can see why I get upset : Page 46 - Here's a slaughterhouse worker's account; "Cattle get their heads stuck under the gate guards, and the only way you can get it out is to cut their heads off while their alive. I've seen cows hit with whips, chains, hoes, shovels, boards. Anything they can use to move them.Seen them laid wide open across their nose and stuff...You can take an electric winch, latch it onto one of their legs- it's supposed to be a leg, and drag her all the way through the kill alley to the knocking box, If you couldn't get her leg, it would go around her neck, and by the time she gets up she's almost dead- its choking her. You're in such a hurry, and people get so mad at you if you don't get the job done on time , that your adrenaline is flowing and you don't care what you do. Why are we so violent to those who are so gentle? "He struggles upside down as he swings over the kill floor where men stand in gore with long knives slitting each steers throat and puncturing the jugular vein". If you can't get permission to watch this , might it be because a visit will destroy the image of the happy cow or pig frolicking in the yard, keen to become our dinner? We don't want to know what goes on in abbattoirs . It doesn't help enjoyment of the next meal. So conditioned are we to animal killing being normal that suffering goes on unrecognized. "
          If you go vegan , you will use your loo a lot more - plenty of plant fiber is a good thing ! lol

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