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Teodor Hashem

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What created the universe?

1. Everything that exists has a cause of existence.
2. The universe exists.
3. Therefore the uiverse has a cause of existence.

How far is this true?
Can we say that something created the universe?
Or did the Big Bang create the universe?
Is it true that the universe came from nothing?
How can we explain the Big Bang?

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    Apr 25 2013: The top two theories are, in no particular order: 1) God created and sustains Everything in accordance with his sovereign purpose. 2) There was Nothing, and one day for no Reason Nothing exploded and began a process where Everything was brought into Existence for no Purpose.
  • Apr 24 2013: I am satisfied with a concept of Original Mind capable of developing vast and stupendous plans, a mind far transcending capabilities of human mortals to comprehend or even imagine. The beginnings of things material are not an accident or of a big bang. Humans are time oriented and therefore cannot imagine timeless eternity, so therefore its difficult to see the location of the Original Mind as coming from a still, motionless, timeless infinity called Paradise. This Original Mind is the philosophical (for man's limited thinking capability) and real origin of all energy. Are we not able to now imagine, given all the discoveries in the recent centuries, that the Universe of universes is larger than what we had thought possible?

    The satisfying conclusion for now is that material energy and matter is caused by an uncaused Cause! God is the only such Mind-Person. Relying totally on tradition of world religions is very limiting; scientific investigation has revealed new data not found in traditions of the past. Such traditions cannot explain all things.

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      Apr 26 2013: How is an uncaused cause a satisfying conclusion mark?

      Assuming a magical entity, that is not subject to any constraints is not satisfying in my mind. Its a concept akin to magic, no explanatory power whatsoever, no evidence, just a convenient assertion that a universe creating being could make universes.

      You are free to believe in a fallacious argument, but it is special pleading, and an argument from ignorance.
      • Apr 26 2013: It is satisfying to me because no one has proposed a better explanation. A person wrote here several months ago the big bang is only imagined, not proven. The belief in an Original Mind Cause is not magic. No, its not ignorance. Partial details are revealed and none of the world's religions has all the facts. We cannot rely on any religious traditions to explain what was not known when written or as they evolved from man's early beliefs.

        No one can explain an Uncaused Cause! Who or what caused the big bang? Surely a thinking person could assume there are many more details of the beginnings of things. I prefer not to participate in fallacious arguments. The dilemma for science is material realities are here, but we cannot explain all things. We never will, but we will discover more in time. Its reasonable to assume new discoveries will bring more questions. Where does it end if there is no provision for a First Cause of all things? Satisfaction comes from knowing by faith there is a First Cause Parent of all. Such cannot be proven by science and exclusively scientific approach.

        It is satisfying for me now because no scientist has found a better answer. If someone has, then let him step and explain.

        The comforting aspect is that the Cosmos is enduring and all of us are invited to apply our curiosity to investigation, to relating to the Parent of all things material. The Enduring One is not imagination, but revealed in time and in private thoughts to all who will listen. PS: I am not interested in discussing religions or doctrine, so that is not involved here.
      • Apr 30 2013: Understand this; outer space is pitch black and nothingness. Space is nothing and is endless, there is no life in space itself, space just is. Dark "matter" is what space is made of.

        Darkness is the absorption of all light, so within dark matter there is light. Without light, there would be no darkness, without darkness there would be no light.

        Before there was light in the universe, it was pitch black and nothing existed. All that dark matter, or nothingness, is what God is. An infinite source of light. God existed (past) before there was light; light is the reason there is existence (present). How can there be existence before existence?

        The truth is time doesn't exist, it's an illusion. Light came to existence as an explosion of pure dark matter energy, and we all know explosions scatter matter into 3 dimensions. Take a frag grenade for example, when it blows up, it scatters shrapnel in literally all directions, in 3d fashion. The same thing happens with how we come to exist. We only exist because of light, therefore we exist within light. Light blew up and scattered within dark matter (space). The further light gets from its source, the slower in"time" things exist within it. Basically the Big Bang is happening now, but we're so far from the original point in space of the explosion that we haven't ceased to exist yet. Light will never run out, it will keep expanding forever within dark matter.

        God is not the force behind existence, God just is existence itself, dark matter and light at the same time. God's purpose is just to exist, because if the universe didn't exist, we wouldn't exist. That's why Christians say praise God, they're basically saying that we should just say thank you to existence itself, because without God there simply isn't anything at all.
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    Apr 26 2013: For some reason we are obsessed with the notion that there absolutely has to be a reason for the existence of the universe.
    May be there is or may be there isn't any reason for our existence.
    I just like the idea of universe existing for the sake of existing and that there is no beginning or end.
    Now that doesn't mean that I think we should stop finding out the reason for existence, if there is any, but we should also consider the notion that there doesn't have to be a reason for our existence.
  • Apr 26 2013: Science: The universe originated from the big bang. In march 2013, the Higgs particle or the Higgs Boson particle's existence was proven via the Large Hadron Collider. The Higgs particle is also called the God particle in the scientific world.

    Religion: God created the universe. "I am Alpha (beginning) and Omega(ending)". "I am all that there is, therefore I am"

    For those of you that do not know, the Higgs particle is everywhere in the fabric of the universe, it's the base layer of existence pretty much, according to science. God is neither male nor female, nor is it a thing. God is life energy, God is existence itself. The universe which is composed of energy wasn't created by a bearded man in a white robe; it was there, it has always been there (alpha), and it will always be there(omega). The universe just is, just like what is written in the bible.

    Religious texts state that God has no limits and is beyond our comprehension. Did you also know that the universe is forever expanding (therefore has no limits)? Galaxies that used to be close to us 50 years ago, are now millions of light years further away from us. Science determined that it is impossible to know all of the universe's characteristics because it is forever expanding and growing.

    I'm not sure if I properly pieced my words together to express my thoughts, but by now you should be catching on to what I'm trying to say. Science (which generally studies life and existence itself) is just the interpretation or attempt at understanding what God is, by using physical concepts. So in part, I guess science is some type of religion in itself. The only difference between science and religion is that one uses spirituality/the mind/abstract thinking and the other uses more palpable/physical concepts.

    Basically, God is the universe itself, he is all that exists. Nothing really created the universe, it has always been there. How do I know you ask? Well ask yourself this, what caused the big bang, nothingness?
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    Apr 25 2013: All three statements are true. The problem that we encounter is that the word God is often used to explain the unexplained. Such an explanation is no explanation at all. It tells us nothing about who or what God is. If the big-bang created the universe, it still tells us nothing of what caused it.

    The big-bang is the most accepted theory to date. It can be equated to many religious beliefs; God, the dawn of a day of Brahma, the causeless cause, the eternal parent of gnostic Christianity and modern Rosicrucian doctrine, and many mythical gods personifying the forces of nature in creation myths. None of these explanations offer anything other than obscurity. They all take us into the unknown.

    It may be that the present universe is one of many endless cycles typical of Hindu beliefs. yet if this is true, it still tells us nothing of what is behind it because we cannot quantify anything that precedes the big-bang. All we can quantify is what we know to be true in the present cycle.

    All of matter can be reduced to quantum energy fields. They are the same for everything that exists. They are everywhere, they are invisible, they are the alpha and the omega, they are what is doing the creating. Quantum energy fields are eternal. They are perfect. All forms, all structures, all forces, all processes, all physical laws are derived from them. They are the first cause of everything we know to exist. How and why they exist is unknown. We know the effects they produce. We know nothing more about them at the present time.

    Quantum mechanics is the deepest level of what we know about why the universe is the way it is. I suggest you start there.
  • Apr 30 2013: Hi Teodor, may I fill in the blancs :)

    How far is this true?
    Right on. It almost sounds as if you've read Swedenborg. I'll leave a link further down.

    Can we say that something created the universe?
    Yes and that something was, and is, the infinite God. I say "and is" because existence is constant creation.

    Or did the Big Bang create the universe?
    No. If there was a 'big bang' then it is God's Divine Love and Divine Wisdom proceeding and entering the universe, changing into and creating the Celestial - Spiritual and Natural heavens and finally becoming matter.
    http://sites.google.com/site/liveitupspiritually/home/source/Creation_Odhner.pdf?attredirects=0

    Is it true that the universe came from nothing?
    Nothing material, yes. The universe was created from the spirit, or Love of God. Which of course is nothing material.
    I.e. a painter creates a painting from the love and wisdom in his/her mind.

    How can we explain the Big Bang?
    First of all, the Creation Story has nothing to do with the creation of this universe or this world. It is all a metaphor about how God can, if we want Him to, create a spiritual being within us.
    http://sites.google.com/site/liveitupspiritually/home/source/The%20Real%20Creation%20Story.pdf?attredirects=0
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    Apr 28 2013: Let me try to answer.
    1. Everything that exists has a cause of existence. That's a notion or an axiom, a starting assumption. It is not essentially true in quantum reality.
    2. The universe exists. The physical universe, yes. It has been so defined.
    3. Therefore the universe has a cause of existence. Not necessarily. If it started from a quantum fluctuation, no.

    How far this is true? As far as you place your boundary of physicalism.
    Can we say that something created the universe? Yes we can. but we should not. Because we don't know for certain.
    Or did the Big Bang create the universe? It's possible that it did. This universe of course.
    Is it true that the universe came from nothing? Not known. It's a possibility.
    How can we explain the Big Bang? By looking at the static of our TV screen where we see the back ground radiation. We cannot explain why, though.

    Looks very uninteresting.
  • Apr 28 2013: Lets take this from a few perspectives. Philosophically, what causes existence to be registered in one's mind. Is it really possible for a single mind to know everything about everything about everything. (Circle)
    You see, how do I exist in your mind and how you exist in my mind is not relative. Its about perception and how one perceives life's different mysteries. For instance, one of the greatest mysteries for men is understanding women. Although women are better at understanding men.

    Is it possible that your existence depends upon my existence in a certain moment in time? Why do I believe that it was you as in YOU, who asked that question? Why do I believe that it is I as in I, who is answering YOU? Even if I shake hands with you, talk to you face to face, share ideas, does it mean that I exist externally and internally in your mind simultaneously, as do you in my mind?

    Scientifically, all that is matter exists. All that can be felt through the five sensations is real. The one question, science will never be able to answer is what is the reality of reality. The limit to where these five sensory perceptions end is the real end of a human being. And the real end of any human being is death. Lets say that these five senses are in a certain being which has no real end. Therefore death is not the end for that being.

    As far as I have understood meaning, I humbly say that to everything, an end is real. But to that ultimate reality no end is justifiable and perceivable. It is that ultimate reality which has ultimate power, whatever it maybe and by whatever name you call that reality. Some would call it god, others nature, gaya, mother nature, and some would call it chance. And this is all an assumption in reality (My Reality). Go find your reality.
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    Apr 26 2013: Teodor,

    "What created" is a little leading potentially.

    Are you sure absolutely everything that exists has a cause? I would not concede your first premises as written. Maybe most things that exist on a human scale have an apparent cause. Possibly a fallacy - argument from ignorance.

    E.g. Not sure about things at the quantum level e.g. the position of electrons.

    Also, universes are not the same as things within the universe. Possibly a categorisation fallacy to say that because things within the universe generally have causes, then the universe has a cause.

    The universe apparently has not always been as it is. I'm not sure we as a species have all the details at this time.

    For the theists who posit god caused the universe, because something can not come from nothing.
    Please define nothing?
    Maybe universes can - categorisation and argument from ignorance fallacies.We don't have much data on universes coming into being.
    Asserting a god did it is odd. There was nothing right? Is god a nothing or a something. If it is a something it also needs a cause. Otherwise this is the fallacy of special pleading.
    Also special pleading saying a god (which we are not sure whether it is something that needs a cause to be consistent with your premise or nothing) can make a universe universe from nothing. So the universe still came from nothing, but somehow a god manipulated it into existence from nothing.
    No evidence of this occurring or how it was done, or even for the existence of god.

    Its kind of circular the universe means a god exists, and a god is needed to explain the universe. When really we dont know. The evidence is pointing to something happening 13 billion years ago. No compelling evidence of a gods existence in that 13 billion years, but for some its okay to posit a god at the start.

    I suggest if you can accept a god making something from nothing, why the big issue thinking something could come from nothing via some sort of natural process?
    • Apr 28 2013: Nothingness is defined as zero mass, zero energy, where by e=mc2 is zero
      Also nothingness is a zone of altered consciousness when a woman asks a man what he is thinking.
      Just one question. Why so against the notion or thought of a god-being whatever
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    Apr 25 2013: Chance.
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    Apr 25 2013: According to what you are saying the big bang was created by the cause? I agree
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    Apr 24 2013: I've been thinking about this question for the last few months and I've come to the conclusion that it's one that everyone is going to have a different answer to - one that suits them. Personally I've been contemplating a metaphysical 'dimension'; one without the three physical dimensions and time. In many ways it's like Plato's theory of the perfect forms. In a very literal reading of "In the beginning there was the Word", but without the religious connotation that it evokes, it's the idea that existence game to be out of the concept of existence.
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      Apr 25 2013: "... and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1 (KJV). Stay on that metaphysical track Mr. Byrne. A bit later in that same chapter we are told, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us . . ." (vs.14). Best wishes!
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        Apr 26 2013: Hi Edward, no objections to you choosing to believe in biblical scriptures.
        I would just point out there doesn't seem to be any logical reason to think the people who made up and recorded the stories in the bible or koran or book of mormon or whatever knew what they were talking about in regards to the origins of the universe.
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          Apr 26 2013: Hello Obey. You are right that there "doesn't seem to be any logical reason" to believe the Bible. Believing the Holy Bible is not a result of logical reasoning. In order to believe the Holy Bible a person must experience a supernatural event which replaces all doubt with a sesnse of certainty about the things of God. The event is called being born again, you have probably heard the phrase. Of course I know you do not lend any credence at all to Christianity, but you should know just for talking purposes that it teaches exactly what I just described. Again, you are right, there is no logical reason to believe because faith does not come by logical reasoning but by hearing the Word of God. Be well sir!
  • Apr 24 2013: Hi.
    The universe didn't come from nothing. It couldn't have because nothing exists for it to come from.
    Nothing is nothing.
    But, if there was nothing, then there was blackness or no light. There couldn't have been light so it had to be black.

    Black is the absorption of all light, so within this blackness is all light and from light comes all things.
    There is an equilibrium of this blackness or rather the light within it but should there be a slight change in this internal pressure, then the pressure grows, changing the equilibrium and building up until it forces an expansion, i.e. the big bang
    It then expands in all directions, in my mind somewhat like a sheet of expanded metal.
    This gives an illusion of time when in fact there is no time. All is just one moment that still is today (one sheet of metal and a flat universe), and each part of that expanded metal appears to be different but is only a different part of the whole and with illusion of time, comes the illusion of age. After it has expanded to a bigger size, it warps and becomes open, an open universe, always expanding.

    For me, this makes it easier to see and understand the relationship between each part of the expanded metal because it is all connected, even in the spaces where it appears there is no metal. There is still a connection that effects each part and so on throughout the entire sheet, i.e., the universe.

    All mathematical possibilities exist and we are just one of those possibilities that exist where we are.
    As the expansion grows, it grows from the expansion of mathematical possibilities that exist as the number of infinitesimal mathematical possibilities are newly existing, or newly are.
    They are what pushes the expansion further and further, so to speak.
    The expansion is fueled or pushed by infinite possibilities or potentiality.

    Right now, everywhere in the universe, everything is happening at once. There is no time and there is enough room for all of it to happen.
    What say ye?