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Mitch SMith


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Is passion the mother of fashion?

It is clear to me that fashion is orders of magnitude more important to people than facts.

If that is given .. what is it that drives fashion?

Is it passion?

and if it is - what is it that triggers passion?

And how does this non-rational principle serve our survival?


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      Apr 24 2013: Many thanks!

      So we have another point of co-ordinates through the passion thing.

      But there are more desires than inclusion.

      The way it seems to be panning out is that our "desires" are intrinsic. Perhaps they demark boundaries or accentuations .. channels. We could codify them as attractors and be able to cope with the chaotic field which surrounds them.

      So having the more definable word "desire" can give us a field by which to test the correlation with "passion".

      For many people, these words are identical - but it may be better to divide them and regard their intersection.

      You observe that passion is derivative of desire - can you give an example? Or have a go at identifying the causal pathway between them? Just as a reference - what if my passion was stamp-collecting?
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          Apr 26 2013: Hmm tempting ..

          Here's a thing I like:

          Pat made a good honest straight-up post somewhere in here. He wrote a sentence in which he correlated "fashion" directly to "style". I'll digress slightly to say that "fashion" is a wilder word than "style" - fashion has the sense that it *just happens*, while "style" infers a vector: small gratification now - or greater gratification later - a thing related to "class"(social station - status). The word Style has more meaning to the scholar - a thing might be "stylized" - meaning "done in a tradition" .. or a repeated way - indicating a practicality ("no - don't think! It's not broken, don't fix it! Do it like dad did it.").

          Now here I am reminded by my brain (damn brain - inconvenient as always!) - fashion also means "to make".
          But we don't say that now. It is no longer the fashion.

          At this point, I have to anchor to experience.
          I make flutes .. little flutes .. I like these little flutes for their wildness. Unlike the insanely key-encrusted horrors that get played in orchestras (the etymology of that makes me larf) The little flute can go where the press-button sensibility of lazy people could never imagine. I once made one with pure gold metalwork - that was horrible - too much expectation for what is just a material - a waste of time. The guy who bought it later asked what the weight of gold was in it - so that he could sell it as gold. Bleh! waste of time. Gold sounds very good, but humans drown that goodness in lust. Thus gold is the cheapest thing - those who love it are one-night tarts for a penis. Which is less than 1% of a man.

          No. I sent my flutes to great players - after I had spent a great deal of time making sure that they were players who's music had power enough to turn my head. And here, "to-make" becomes the active principle. And I know these guys, because I talk to them. They do not "make" they just express - they express "fashion" they do not seek to make an advantage - in their music they do as I do.
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          Apr 27 2013: And .. if you think about it .. how easy it all is .. apart from a lot of legwork .. but comfort is not the real prize - in fact, it is comfort which wrecks us .. not a popular stance .. but seems true none the less .. for what it's worth - an opportunity to walk trumps a destination every time.
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          Apr 27 2013: By coincidence, A friend just reminded me of the phenomenon of "fame".
          Here is an interesting thing!
          From this discussion I am gaining a map of the tribe by virtue of the totem.
          Status seems to work as a measure of proximity to the totem.
          Fame works similarly - by virtue of attachment to a meme which is a component of the totem.
          So here's an interesting structure. Memes are, more often than not, un-harnessed expressions .. I think of the Zen poem told to the wind.
          Compare Van Gough to Elvis Presley - there is the difference between Zen expression and Contrived. Each created memes, the destination of fame/status was the goal of Presley, Van Gough was a schizophrenic who painted for the passion. Both gained totemic inclusion.
          What then of presidents of the USA? Their fame is not attached to a meme .. or is it?
          Criminals can also garner fame.
          In all, the alignment to the totem has value to mapping symbol-space.
          Also by following these threads through the totem, it yields its components - this is heartening! The components of the totem define its membrane and yield an understanding of "self" in the emergent sense.

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