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Why should we adopt morals?

Morals cannot be proven philosophically and are not needed for a stable society that already punishes people for doing things that are detrimental to our society. Morality only hinders us, as it makes us, as a country, (I'm in the USA) obligated to give money to poor countries and not torture terrorists who have crucial intelligence needed to ensure the national security.

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  • Apr 17 2013: Hello Mary M,
    You are right, I'm definitely contributing to mob mentality in that I think that Mob mentality is the closest we can ever get to truth when it comes to philosophical matters that cannot be proven by science. The fact remains though, that religion (even the most benign ones: like Buddhism) still pushes people to do things they may not necessarily want to do, like care for others, and further more tells them to do these things because either God, or Karma will reward them, when God and Karma have not scientifically been proven to exist. Instead, we should inspire actions of people by recognizing the fact that if they do certain things, like maintain world peace and care for each other to an extent, it will help most of them, and that's how we should inspire people to act in a way that you and most people would consider to be "good", by giving them a practical argument that relies on them to be self-interested, which most of them are, rather than give a philosophical or religious one that promises them things that may not exist, like the love of God, and/or good Karma.
    Sincerely,
    Rajiv
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      Apr 25 2013: Hello Rajiv, I just saw this comment. Because you did not reply next to the red reply button below, I had no idea you had written this.

      So here is my response:

      You said.......... "religion (even the most benign ones: like Buddhism) still pushes people to do things they may not necessarily want to do, like care for others, and further more tells them to do these things because either God, or Karma will reward them"

      You are mistaken here Rajiv. No religion, no organization, nobody pushes anybody to do anything. Oh sure, people might give money and go to church and such because they feel God expects them to do it.

      I know of lots of people that go to church and are racist, and selfish, and envious.

      True spirituality, and here I use the term liberally, inspires people to do for others because there is more happiness in giving than in receiving.

      Empathy, love, compassion, kindness are all principles found in scripture. And just like a loving father teaches their child to say please and thank you and excuse me, so too our Creator, our heavenly Father, teaches us how to treat each other. Not because we're going to "get it" if we don't do it, but because we will feel the happiness and the inner peace when we do.

      May I share one of my favorite verses from the Bible with you?

      (17)This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel: “I, Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit [yourself], the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk. (18) O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

      This is what I have learned from study of scripture.
      It is not much, but it is enough for living a content life.

      Be Well my online friend,
      Mary
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      Apr 26 2013: Enjoy.........

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMS2uMUQNnQ
      • Apr 26 2013: I never said all or even most humans don't want to help each other, some, maybe most, actually care about each other. The fact remains though, that people are still pressured (at least to a minor degree) by religion and that not all people are altruistic. Thus, people shouldn't be pressured into doing anything by religion or by some state-sponsored worship of some ideology that results in the restrainment of the majority of people, like communism or extreme capitalism that leads to dynasties of wealth being established by the bourgeois. Morality shouldn't be part of the picture, because it is philosophically unverifiable, it should be what people want to do with their time and the money they earned, if they earned it legally. Besides, just because you may be altruistic naturally doesn't mean others aren't altruistic because they are pressured by religion. I was born to a Buddhist family and remember helping people because I was afraid I would get bad karma if I didn't. I'm agnostic now so I am free of the chain (I recognize that to some religion is a good thing, but for me it was a chain) holding me back.
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          Apr 26 2013: If you were chained to Buddhism because they instilled fear tactics that is terrible!!!

          I have never known a buddhist who acted out of fear.
          And, I lived in Asia for two years.

          Your experience is yours, and I respect that.

          But generalizing and applying your particular experience to other religious groups, is, in my opinion, not healthy.

          It sounds like you like your independence.....and that your issues are with "organized" anything, not just religion.

          No wonder that Bible encourages us to "not put trust in man."
          And also tells us that "man has dominated man to his injury."
      • Apr 26 2013: Oh and by the way, I'm sorry for not replying to you, I just couldn't seem to find the reply button on your previous comment for some reason.
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          Apr 26 2013: That's quite all right Rajiv, I usually check up on my conversations, I'm glad I was able to read your comments.

          Be Well,
          Mary :)
      • Apr 26 2013: I was not chained to Buddhism because my parents or monks scared me into it. I was merely talking about the Buddhist notion of Karma which pressures you into acting a certain way so to get good Karma, almost every Buddhist believes in it and I was saying that this was the sole reason I was acting "good". The fact remains though that in almost every major religion there is some punishment for not acting in certain ways, in Buddhism its bad karma and for Christianity its hell. And I just pointed out that to some people like me, those deterrents are the very things holding them back and making them fearful. You're right, some people would help others naturally, so they don't even need religion, but others like me get restrained by religion and aren't free (although I am now because I'm agnostic).
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          Apr 26 2013: Ok, now I understand.

          You know, I have never spoken with a person who admitted to acting nice or doing nice things because they were afraid of karma or hell.

          Many people who study the Bible do not believe in hell. They have come to understand that the belief in an immortal soul that suffers in hell does not originate in scripture, but is of pagan origin.

          It is sad to learn that some individuals have ulterior motives for being kind, that it isn't borne in their hearts to love mankind and just do good for kindness sake, that they act kind because of something their religion has taught them.

          Perhaps you are better off as an agnostic then?

          Jesus said, "you will know the truth, and the truth shall set you free".

          When I learned alot of truths about what scriptures contain and do not contain, I also felt very free from years of belief in doctrines that had their root in Greek mythology, and pagan rituals. So I kind of understand how you feel. You are welcome to learn what I have learned by visiting jw dot org and navigate the site. The site is easy to navigate and can be changed into many many languages. Many people find comfort in learning what Jesus taught when on earth. If nothing else, you will learn a little more about a different group of people that live on this planet with you. :)

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