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Is technology the best way to understand the cosmos?

I have so many question. I would like input from fellow TEDizens and insights you have gained through observations.

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    • Apr 5 2013: imagination is definitely the fuel for innovative creation.
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        • Apr 6 2013: thanks. I always knew from the gate that Adam and eve was a deep metaphor for people and there awareness what is your take on that story?
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    Apr 1 2013: How do you mean "technology"? Looking at a map of the stars on a tablet? Looking at it through a telescope? A computer?

    Science and its tools (technology) can measure and that is about all. It is a process that allows for making connections but, in my opinion, that is not understanding.

    The big question that science is powerless to answer is "Why?".

    Mind you, every other discipline is just guessing too.
  • Mar 31 2013: The knowledge of the cosmos is in the depth of our being; the ancients knew this and they had access to a depth of knowledge that still stuns our world of trendspotting and gadget hunting.
    Wisdom, knowledge and understanding comes to those who seek it with discipline and patience and persistence. The world is still as it has always been. Those who seek, and keep seeking as the going gets tough, are in the minority.
    • Mar 31 2013: I came to the realization a while back that technology is just one possible means to an end and not the only. Information is accessible in various levels of altered states. People like to assume we will evolve technologically but I'd like to believe spiritually once again with the wisdom we have gained thus far.
      • Apr 1 2013: "Information is accessible in various levels of altered states" what? how?? are you saying drugs can help use understand our world? haha religion is all assumptions based off that individuals creativity mixed with their insanity
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    Mar 31 2013: Way of thinking and will to learn/discover is, and the technology is just a tool that allows to do things faster.
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    Mar 31 2013: I don't know if it's the best. Why do we have to answer whether it's the best? When you try to understand anything, you go at it from multiple modes, talking to people, reading books, thinking, using technology, not using technology.
    • Apr 1 2013: Actually, if you read my comments you'll see what I'm
      really trying to get at.
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        Apr 1 2013: Well, I'm skimming them, Nathan. To some degree I'm on your side as I understand your side. I think you're saying technology is overrated, and I agree. But I do think technology can help us understand the cosmos, and ancient wisdom can, too. We can use both.
    • Apr 1 2013: technology is the only way we understand anything "talking to people, reading books, thinking" all use technology leaned as a base for a deeper understanding of knowledge absorbed from technology
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        Apr 1 2013: The only way we understand anything? Sounds unlikely. You mean, for example, if I want to understand psychology, technology is going to be the only way I can do it, and talking to people is only some gateway to technology? Can you explain more, Charles?
        • Apr 1 2013: without the scientific method you could not explore phycology and without technology you wouldn't have the alphabet or the utensil to copy it down
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        Apr 1 2013: Well, the scientific method is different from technology. I believe even people who have no technology, or very little, could approach things with a scientific method.

        The alphabet I don't think is technology. Pens and paper are beginning to be technology. In what sense is the alphabet technology?
        • Apr 1 2013: technology - the discipline dealing with the art or science of applying scientific knowledge to practical problems

          the creation of the scientific method is technology in itself and even if the people using do not know it is the method they are still using technology without the knowledge of doing so and the alphabet is technology it is the invention of a writing system by applying knowledge to solve the problem of not being able to record information without using oral means
  • Mar 31 2013: t ribe of WestAfrica knew that Sirius was a double star- despite the fact that Sirius is not
    visible to the
    naked eye.
    they
    also knew
    that
    Sirius B had
    an elliptical
    orbit of fifty
    years. No
    telescopes.

    The Mayas
    knew of and
    named the
    Scorpion- a
    star cluster
    containing a
    comet, not
    visible with
    the naked
    eye. No
    telescopes.

    Sumerians
    knew the
    earth revolved
    around the
    sun, and they
    knew about
    all the planets
    in our solar
    system-including
    Uranus,
    Neptune, and
    Pluto, which
    were not
    discovered by
    modern day
    science until
    1781, 1846,
    and 1930. No
    telescopes.
    • Apr 1 2013: ok these are all interesting but there are many faults to this 1. translations and time have damaged these facts 2. they WERE using technology not telescopes of course but other technologies 3. they had math which can prove something is there without actually seeing it math is quite Incredible! (but it's still technology)
    • Apr 1 2013: ok also they had no proof for any of these things they simply assumed and i'm also going to research these facts
    • Apr 1 2013: HAHAHAHAHAHHA so ok to start the west african knowledge of siruis was from a BOOK (aka completely fake) and it said it was indeed aliens
      • Apr 1 2013: Check more sources cause it referred to spiritual beings.
        • Apr 1 2013: ugh please.. answer my previous question there's no point to me arguing this
    • Apr 1 2013: The Mayas
      knew of and
      named the
      Scorpion- a
      star cluster
      containing a
      comet, not
      visible with
      the naked
      eye. No
      telescopes.


      haha and once again this means nothing they named a cluster nothing more anyone can and has done that
    • Apr 1 2013: and for the last part is totally possible they just used math what's so special? many people said that we revolved around the sun then proved it with math but a major fault with that knowledge is that is based off of pictures so there is literally no way to know if that's what they meant by it
  • Mar 31 2013: Technology is just one possible means to an end. Ancients had knowledge of celestial bodies not
    visible to the naked eye with details, we assumed, we're only attainable through technological means.
    • Apr 1 2013: assume is the key word here nobody said they were stupid they had math
    • Apr 1 2013: oh an i never said they were dumb i just wanted to reassure you that they did have math which is much better than you can imagine
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    May 1 2013: Currently, some of the best technology in the manner of satellites, telescopes, rovers, computers, etc is in use or focused on the cosmos. Yet, I believe these are all just tools, measuring devices, It will still take a human mind to read and interpret the information all this technology has and will provide.
  • Apr 6 2013: I don't know exactly what you mean with the middle paragraph, but I'm talking about understanding the cosmos, not the history of its relationship with humans. I don't think we are talking about the same thing.
  • Apr 6 2013: Yeah. I'd say technology is an extension of ourselves; it's not clear where it ends and we begin. And I'm assuming were talking about actually understanding the cosmos, not just sitting around telling ancient stories about gods and astrology and religion and story truth and literature about the cosmos. But hey, each of us may have their own idea of what "understanding" means.
    • Apr 6 2013: yea. computers are like the tool of all tools by far. its just interesting how ancients had knowledge of things we thought omly possible by telescopic observations. in some ways the ancients were smarter than we. i guess they're just us at a different point in time with a different set of circumstances .who knows what info is locked away in
      ur dna . for instance in the episode of through the wormhole on the subconscious theyshowed these monks that wrapped there body on wet cloth inn cold clomate and were able to raise there surface temp some crazy amount and keep there core cool.the scientist confucted tests and showed how they altered there body within that instance on a genomic level.
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      • Apr 6 2013: I don't know what you meant by your second paragraph, but I'm talking about understanding the cosmos, not the human relationship with it, which is also interesting. I don't think we are talking about the same thing.
      • Apr 6 2013: we have names for ecosystems what would the universe be considered? terestrium? if thats even a word. if we see earth as living then we would have to see the universe ss living.
  • Apr 1 2013: many but experiments of my own you mean? none but i've actually done them which you have not and at least i'm in college getting an education were as you are uneducated experimenting and coming up with nothing and saying your creative when you have created nothing please i would love for you to come back and tell me when anything you ever say gets any weight and proof in the scientific community while as for me i will continure to get my graduates degree and be the person that makes everything you use every day an as for you, you will be exactly where you are now nothing..
    • Apr 1 2013: A whole Lotta "assumption" based on one exchange coming from a"SCIENTIST" but unless you have your master's you're just a wannabe which is cool too. It's always good to have something to aspire to. NE how......... Toodles my noodles ,may u have many happy doodles
    • Apr 1 2013: Its"exactly where you are now, no where " not nothing..... And I'm suppose to be the dumb dumb. You need more perspective, prone to fall like a crumb son.
    • Apr 1 2013: Or you could say "exactly what you have now, nothing " which probably would have been the better of the two..... Oh well you live and you learn.
      • Apr 1 2013: 'm a senior duel degree mechanical and electrical engineering right out of college without grad school (which i'm going to) i'll make 70k-90k after grad school i'll make more than 150k a year i'm in the top 10% of the country for engineering

        i'm sorry i said that though irrationality and narrow-mindedness pisses me off to no extent i don't know where you will be but what i do know is your theories will never gain weight with anyone other than yourself and people like you
  • Apr 1 2013: well guess what i am a scientist haha that's how the world works go to college get educated and that's actually quite hysterical that you say god bless but say all these insane spiritual ideas all religion is false and if you are christian i could also destroy your entire religion and have done it before
    • Apr 1 2013: How many science experiments u say u did......... Oh yeah.... So forgetful of me.
  • Apr 1 2013: Look who's here....Charles Curt the dogmatic addict.
  • Apr 1 2013: lets start 1. first bit of information you gave is based on a book which is based off a tribes people "secret" and only knowledge about one star but they know noting else 2. mayan information is irrelevant and means nothing 3. sumerian info only one with any weight but all their information was done through math and science (not spirituality) 4. you said it could never be aliens then contradicted yourself and said it had to be 5. your spirituality belief is made up from literally nothing you have no other supporters of your religion and no proof 6. you take information from hypothetical sources that have no hard data and made a whole spirituality ideal that you never gave the actual mechanics of and just gave ambiguous gibberish 7. the article you gave me is an uncredited source from alien supporting nut jobs which you use out of context for spiritual proof 8. you say evolution of spirit is the answer to these questions but there is no such thing and if these very primitive savages had the knowledge and the ability the ability disappeared because it was never there 9. you are right that i have none of my own experiments under my belt (neither do you) you don't even have proof at any level but i have preformed many and i'm in college getting a real education 10. i will never watch that wormhole thing and any insight it gave you completely destroyed any logical perception of reality for you and i now know i can do nothing to change your mind because you are too deep within your own irrational mind
  • Apr 1 2013: also if your wondering why i'm still arguing with you and hav't just said your dumb and stopped saying anything is because i truly believe if i let you walk around with that insanity and irrationality of how our world works you are going to eventually find someone else that believes you and you personally will cause irrationality and uneducated guesses to keep alive and healthy
  • Apr 1 2013: what intimate knowledge? give me example and proof?? and counting on how bad it whacked you out i don't think i will watch it sorry there is no ancient knowledge you keep saying like we have hard proof of it but the only thing that is sorta proof but it's one picture etched into stone with no written information on it is of the sumerians and they were not a unintelligent civilization they had technology and math so there is literally nothing you have said so far giving any weight to your spirituality idea
    • Apr 1 2013: Dogons guy.. You miss interpreted what you read or didn't understand. Watch through the worm hole. It's very cutting edge. As far as intimate knowledge, that's the mystery. Testimonials of hayauasca open the flood Gates and shatter what you thought it all was. The rabbit hole goes way to deep to be stuck in the confines of the scientific method for everything my intuition steers me towards. So quick you are to label peoples ideas wacky. For being so gung ho how many hypothesis have you rendered. How many experiments u got under your belt? Proof of my claims is very minimal but far from being based on pure assumption without any thought on available data. You should watch the program "what the ancients knew " for a little more perspective.
      • Apr 1 2013: i didn't misinterpret anything i understood it just fine and hold up i'm going to right a summary of this real quick an then i'm done with you
        • Apr 1 2013: Get a life buddy. And try to create something original instead of riding the coat tails of other people's proofs. I'm no scientist and never claim to be. Ur first coment gave you up quick. ur full of judgment and ridicule and it s detrimental to one's character. Good luck in life and God bless
    • Apr 1 2013: do you have any logic and deducting skills at all? your starting to irritate me yes i've already read similar articles saying the same thing do you really think an alien race (which you previously made fun of me for for saying the idea of aliens is absurd) came to the earth went to probably the least advanced civilization in the world told them about one star told them it was a secret and left? also there is no information about the dogon people saying anything about aliens it's just other people assuming it was
    • Apr 1 2013: and don't dare go into the rest of this articles BS i will simply laugh at you
  • Apr 1 2013: no it's not i did read several other links it is a tribe for one and it is siruis as a sect it has nothing to do with the star that they knew nothing about because this is a primitive tribe that knew nothing of astronomy now answer my other question already and stop stalling
  • Apr 1 2013: answer my question though
    • Apr 1 2013: There is intimate knowledge and capacities in the recessess of the subconcious. (through the wormhole mysteries of the sub conscious is very insight full) I would recommend all episodes. Ancients kno we ledge proves that technology is just one possible means to an end. Any assumptions on how they gained the knowledge is just that, assumptions.
  • Apr 1 2013: I would never claim them "scientific" there just thoughts and ideas based on the fact that ancients had these intimate details. Look up the Dogon tribe. They had knowledge of Sirius that was confirmed by science. No lie.
  • Apr 1 2013: no there is not various examples of ancients having that knowledge stop saying that the only one that has any weight to it is the Samaritan's knowledge and they used technology and math (not spirituality) but they are such an old civilization we don't know

    and ok i really don't get this spirituality thing for one tell me what religion you are talking about? and two tell me the exact mechanics of how spirituality can learn and describe anything? i really mean anything.... i want actual examples not just religious gibberish
  • Apr 1 2013: denied me what? and then what is what you were going to say??
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      Title: Technology is just one possible means to an end.
      Ancients had knowledge of celestial bodies not visible to
      the naked eye with details

      Full Text: tribe
      of West
      Africa knew
      that Sirius
      was a double
      star- despite
      the fact that
      Sirius is not
      visible to the
      naked eye.
      they
      also knew
      that
      Sirius B had
      an elliptical
      orbit of fifty
      years. No
      telescopes.

      The Mayas
      knew of and
      named the
      Scorpion- a
      star cluster
      containing a
      comet, not
      visible with
      the naked
      eye. No
      telescopes.

      Sumerians
      knew the
      earth revolved
      around the
      sun, and they
      knew about
      all the planets
      in our solar
      system-including
      Uranus,
      Neptune, and
      Pluto, which
      were not
      discovered by
      modern day
      science until
      1781, 1846,
      and 1930. No
      telescopes.
      • Apr 1 2013: yes an they did it for actual reasons because you probably forced someone to research somewhat and your first fact is complete BS and once again the sumerian information is based off of one picture that information of the planets show up nowhere else and the information for saturn is a picture of something that sorta kinda maybe looks like saturn if they changed it alot
  • Apr 1 2013: they are perplexing because we don't have enough knowledge to tell us why and how they did it and they really never made any "perfect" anything yes they were very good and we don't know exactly how they did it but it doesn't mean there was magic involved we just don't know because we could easily make any architecture they made back then better now we just would never do it because it would be worthless if you were an engineer you would get the mechanics of why this is we are mind boggling precise nowadays and you will never know unless you become an engineer

    "Since we don't know how they did it and it would be difficult for us to do it that must mean they didn't do it. Aliens did it because it takes advanced technology to perform at that level. "............... Really? That's the logical answer? WOW.........And I thought I was burnt..." really? i was trying to insult you there i believe it was humans that did it all i never said i thought it was aliens i was asking you if that's what you believed which i now know it's not

    and so i'm wondering do you believe it was god that was helping these people complete these feats?
    • Apr 1 2013: No. And I apologies for jumping around and being unclear. This is my official stance. There are various examples of ancients having knowledge of the universe without developing the tools we thought necessary to gain said knowledge. How could that even be possible? Through evolution of spiritual awareness is one possibility. There was a time where I took the narrow road of highly skeptical but the more scientists and quantum mechanics learn the deeper the rabbit hole goes.
  • Apr 1 2013: ok an you don't have to reply to all of that sorry just answer me this if technology is not the best way then what is?
    • Apr 1 2013: I had to reword my question so Ted would publish if I put the email where they denied you think it would get me bootedor at least part of it.
  • Apr 1 2013: The Dogon tribe in West Africa. Read about it.
  • Apr 1 2013: and the fact that you used a fictions no proof behind it book as a fact is quite pitiful
    • Apr 1 2013: Read more thourough. It's vice versa my friend
      • Apr 1 2013: you are implying that this single individual tribe people who lived in huts and lived off the african desert were the only people ever to be visited by aliens and they only told them of one star and about some moons

        or we'll go with your whacked out spirituality method (which nobody else says anywhere it's just you making it up) these people had some super special spiritual power of determining stars very far away but could't use the same method to find out anything else and still lived in dirt and huts uneducated and starving while dying of malaria yeah i don't think so