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Discuss the note to the TED community on the withdrawal of the TEDxWestHollywood license.

For discussion: http://blog.ted.com/2013/04/01/a-note-to-the-ted-community-on-the-withdrawal-of-the-tedxwesthollywood-license

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    Apr 4 2013: Russell Targ, one of the TEDx West Hollywood speakers deemed too cutting edge for TED will be on Just Energy Radio at 8PM EST tonight (April 4 2013). Find out what TED doesn't want you to hear!

    http://www.justenergyradio.com/

    (The show will be archived here http://www.justenergyradio.com/archive-pages/rtarg.htm ).
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      Apr 4 2013: Too cutting edge? I would argue instead that it's too old hat. It looks a lot like repackaged mesmerism and spiritualism to me. What's new or "cutting edge" about it?

      Animal magnetism
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_magnetism

      Spiritualism
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritualism

      Madame Blavatsky (1877) alluded to these as "old things with new names" which she traced back not only to Classical sources but Hermetic ones and even to "root races" on Atlantis and Lemuria aeons and aeons ago (although Suzanne Taylor might trace it to a distant galaxy long, long ago)::

      "Putting aside the purely metaphysical teachings of the Kabala, if one would devote himself but to physical occultism, to the so-called branch of therapeutics, the results might benefit some of our modern sciences; such as chemistry and medicine. Says Professor Draper: 'Sometimes, not without surprise, we meet with ideas which we flatter ourselves originated in our own times.' This remark, uttered in relation to the scientific writings of the Saracens, would apply still better to the more secret Treatises of the ancients. Modern medicine, while it has gained largely in anatomy, physiology, and pathology, and even in therapeutics, has lost immensely by its narrowness of spirit, its rigid materialism, its sectarian dogmatism. One school in its purblindness sternly ignores whatever is developed by other schools; and all unite in ignoring every grand conception of man or nature, developed by Mesmerism, or by American experiments on the brain — every principle which does not conform to a stolid materialism. It would require a convocation of the hostile physicians of the several different schools to bring together what is now known of medical science, and it too often happens that after the best practitioners have vainly exhausted their art upon a patient, a mesmerist or a 'healing medium' will effect a cure!"
      http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/isis/iu1-01.htm
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        Apr 4 2013: You are just making up nonsense, John. I can understand why you don't trust what others have to say, given your own inability to provide accurate information.

        Why don't you read Russell Targ's published work?

        Russell Targ and Lawrence Ames, "Lidar wind sensing at cruise altitude for flight-level optimization," Proc. SPIE Aerosense-96, Orlando FL, April 8-12, 1996.

        Russell Targ, Roland Bowles, Michael Kavaya, and R. Milton Huffaker, "Coherent Lidar Airborne Windshear Sensor: Performance Evaluation," Applied Optics, 20 May 1991.

        Russell Targ, Bruce C. Steakley, James G. Hawley, Paul Forney, Robert G. Otto, Philip Brockman, and Sarah R. Harrell, "Coherent lidar airborne wind sensor II: flight test results at 2 µm and 10 µm," Applied Optics, 20 December 1996.

        Targ, R. and Puthoff, H. (1975) “Information transfer under conditions of sensory shielding.” Nature, 251, 602-607.

        Puthoff, H.E. & Targ, R. (March, 1976). “A Perceptual Channel for Information Transfer over kilometer distances: Historical perspective and recent research.” Proc. IEEE, Vol. 64, no. 3, March, pp. 329-354;
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        Apr 4 2013: John, you mentioned Newton, but do you realize that Newtonian Physics is behind the times?

        Your main tactic seems to be filling the forum with as many distractions as possible to keep people away from the actual topic of conversation.

        You can't stop people from talking about the change in paradigm. The conversation is going on all over the internet. TED is falling behind, and so are you.

        And yes, I've used LIDAR data in research projects so I know what it is.. Targ has published work on a variety of topics. He is a multifaceted scientist with a number of pretty outstanding accomplishments. Just the sort of person TED audiences would enjoy hearing from.
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          Apr 4 2013: "And yes, I've used LIDAR data in research projects so I know what it is."

          Then you will appreciate the fact that the articles you cited on Targ's LIDaR research have absolutely nothing to to with psi, yet you accuse me of filling the forum with as many distractions as possible.

          "You can't stop people from talking about the change in paradigm."

          No, but as I pointed out with my earlier reference to the classic book by Charles Mackay, we have a long and colorful history of extraordinary popular delusions and the madness of crowds. It shows every sign of continuing to unfold, hopefully with less devastating consequences that those of delusions in the past (but I'm not at all confident of that).

          אֵין כָּל חָדָשׁ תַּחַת הַשָּׁמֶשׁ
          Nihil sub sole novum.
          There is nothing new under the sun.
        • Apr 4 2013: What about happax legomena?
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        Apr 4 2013: Again, you are going off on a silly tangent, John.

        Russell Targ is a respected scientist with a long list of accomplishments. Just the sort of person TED audiences would enjoy watching.
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          Apr 4 2013: Sandy, since my response to your list of Targ publications was deleted along with the original post, I'm reposting it here:

          You've claimed this research is "cutting edge," but what it is both investigating and proposing has been the subject of scientific investigations dating back to the at least the time of Franz Mesmer (1734-1815).

          Franz Mesmer
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Mesmer

          Biologists still cite Darwin's original work. Physicists refer to Newton. Why don't psi and paranormal researchers acknowledge their own intellectual forebears?

          Why don't you read the introductory of Blavatsky's "Isis Unveiled" (1877), for which I've just provided a link? Why do the "cutting edge" interests of Targ and others remain no different from the ones that were being investigated by Victorian age Theosophists over a century ago?

          As for the publications you've just cited by Targ et al., what do LIDaR and wind sensing have to to with anything we've been discussing here?
        • Apr 4 2013: @John - they do. They refer quite often to JB Rhine when discussing parapsychology because he was the first to really undertake lab tests in the way the science of parapsychology is conducted now. And if one is interested in survival, or even mediumship, one will often see references to the early days of the SPR and the early investigators since that was what they largely focused on back then.
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        Apr 4 2013: John, Targ is an accomplished scientist. You seem to want to edit reality to fit your POV. He's published on various subjects. His entire body of work is a testament to the qualities that would make him a great TEDx speaker!

        Russell Targ and Lawrence Ames, "Lidar wind sensing at cruise altitude for flight-level optimization," Proc. SPIE Aerosense-96, Orlando FL, April 8-12, 1996.

        Russell Targ, Roland Bowles, Michael Kavaya, and R. Milton Huffaker, "Coherent Lidar Airborne Windshear Sensor: Performance Evaluation," Applied Optics, 20 May 1991.

        Russell Targ, Bruce C. Steakley, James G. Hawley, Paul Forney, Robert G. Otto, Philip Brockman, and Sarah R. Harrell, "Coherent lidar airborne wind sensor II: flight test results at 2 µm and 10 µm," Applied Optics, 20 December 1996.

        Targ, R. and Puthoff, H. (1975) “Information transfer under conditions of sensory shielding.” Nature, 251, 602-607.

        Puthoff, H.E. & Targ, R. (March, 1976). “A Perceptual Channel for Information Transfer over kilometer distances: Historical perspective and recent research.” Proc. IEEE, Vol. 64, no. 3, March, pp. 329-354;
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      Apr 5 2013: This hole that TED is digging just gets bigger and bigger!
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        Apr 5 2013: Yes, I think they are getting rather touchy about it too. A comment I made was deleted. I suggested that Chris Anderson thought the problem would go away if he ignored it. How terrible of me to say such a thing. I'm not even sure how one could re-word that without changing the meaning. (Although I'm sure Chris would like us all to either agree with him or go home).

        Apparently, it's OK for TED to slander invited guests to their events, but not OK for the public to cry foul.

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