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There are no objective moral truths

When it comes to questions of morality, most people would agree that there are only subjective truths; this is because morality is viewed as intimately personal. It is difficult to conceptualize that there is one truth which is objectively moral. This brings me to ask if an objective moral truth can exist. Would an objective moral truth be one which is agreed to be moral by every single human being? This draws another question: if everyone agreed a moral truth to be true, would it be an objective moral truth?

Please add your input and opinions, I'm curious to hear your explanations and reasoning. Look forward to replying to all of you. Cheers!

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  • Mar 24 2013: Objective moral truth does indeed exist, and by definition requires no agreement by anyone. For to require areement by anyone, that "truth" then becomes subjective. I'm reminded of the inverted method of instruction practiced by those who teach situational ethics; which is to encourage tearing down through subjective reasoning rather than encourage applying reason to arrive at the realization of the widom of objective moral axioms.

    I am curious though by what criteria is it declared that "most people would agree that there are only subjective truths". I would sadly agree to "many", but not "most".
    • Mar 24 2013: Nunya,

      You are talking in circles. Take your first sentence.

      "Objective moral truth does indeed exist, and by definition requires no agreement by anyone. "

      My first question to you is:

      How then do these "objective moral truths" come about ? ...if not for people coming to agreement on them? Do you not see in the world today hundreds and thousands of different attitudes and ideas of what is moral or not moral.
      Do you think that they just pop up in the world ... before mankind has begun to form ideas of their own actions and cast their judgement upon these same actions.
      Moral ideas are created by mankind for mankind. They are subjective and by their nature can only be and must always be in the subjective realm of the individual. Just like the inner experience of love and beauty. You cannot find these things in the "outer world" ... because they are "abstract concepts" They are inner feelings. Beauty cannot be objective because it takes the active participation of an observing individual to create the feeling of beauty.
      • Mar 24 2013: Objective truth stands true independent of circumstance or agreement; if it stands on either circumstance or agreement it is not true, but merely is expedient, transitory and serves the individual or group to be self-affirming and self-justifying; but not enduring.

        Objective morality is conduct based on objective truth and is also independent on circumstance or agreement, rising above oneself or any culture or time and serves the individual with surety and order. As to the source, it comes from our Creator and not the created, because the created tends toward the self-serving. Agree or not, it has no bearing on what is true; which what is true is eternal and unchanging. It otherwise is a temporary fact.
        • Mar 27 2013: I say 'most' because a lot of the people that I asked have said that everything in the world is subjective. Which is obviously not true. The first, objective sentence, of this paragraph proves it. I agree. I do not think that there is a way of knowing what an objective moral truth is, but through reasoning, I concur that it must exist. Just because someone believes in something, does not mean that they are morally right in doing so. If there is in fact, a universal standard for what is moral, then any culture which does not fall into the category, is morally wrong. Therefore, the definition of morality, I purpose, is not one varied from culture to culture, person to person, it is universal. It is consistent just as all things in reality. With this logic, even beauty has a standard. There is perhaps a universal standard for what is beautiful and anyone who believes otherwise is not ideal.

          Why do you automatically claim that morality is subjective, Daniel?
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      Mar 25 2013: How do you know there is an objective moral truth?

      Just one? OR does it depend on your values framework and how you define what is moral?

      How do you define what is moral? Divine command?

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