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Why does the security situation in Iraq remain as it is?
We need to focus on the real issues facing the Iraqi Security forces / departments to establish a good security conditions country-wide.
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@MaxExpat War in Iraq iraq security
Vincenzo Sergi
When the day comes that we realize and accept this, togheter we will achieve great things. A new Paradigm will be born. The question of security will not exist because, together we will stand!! ..... yes, that is why we fall. We stand divided.
Cheers
Mohammedridha Alaskari
True, together we stand.. we need the unity
mary ellen johnson
Mohammedridha Alaskari
I guess by teaching ourselves to love the other inspite of their colour, ethnic, place of birth, we need to look to each other as a human as a partner in this country agree with others to live in peace.. this is only speech but we cannot implement it in the real world scenario.
Thanks Mary
mary ellen johnson
I do know one thing for sure, keep on trying, again and again. there is an answer out there. I respect and admire your commitment
thank you for your response.
Mohammedridha Alaskari
No need to apologize please..
Believe me there's a lot of Iraqis still trying to implemebt whta you said but they are not matching a half of those whom exposing the violence or equal a half of them at least. Eventhough they will be treated badly. But some of us never give up and keep trying :)
Mohammedridha Alaskari
I recommend you to watch BBC & Alhurra Iraq. As I see, Aljazeera & most of Arab media are working against Iraq.
Frank Barry
Like most people, "just not interested" fits.
At least you have the knowledge now to add to whatever your future brings.
A warning usually keeps one alert.
Good Luck.
Arkady Grudzinsky 50+
Who are these extremists that you mention? What kind of people are they? What do they want? Why do they believe that violence is the way to get what they want? You said, there are extremists on both sides, Sunni and Shia. What side does AQI take?
Mohammedridha Alaskari
here are the most active extremist groups in Iraq:
1- AQI (alqaeda in Iraq).
2- Baathists
3- AII (aljash aleslami in Iraq)
4- (PKK) Kurdistan Workers Party
5- AAH (asaed ahl alhaq)
6- Alyaoum Almawood Brigade
There's a lot of them but the groups show above conducting the most effective attacks in Iraq, by the way Muslims don't considering them as a part of Islam.
- They are radical people.
- They want to oust anyone who does not agree with them and not be subjected to them.
- I guess they believe in violence because they have brains been washed by the extremist leaders.
I would like to explain something important: EXTREMIST GROUPS ARE NOT FROM SUNNI OR SHIITE SIDE. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEFS THAN SHIITE OR SUNNI. AS I SEE, EXTREMIST ARE TARGETING ALL IRAQIS AS A ONE TARGET.
Arkady Grudzinsky 50+
I find that Westerners are very misinformed about Middle East. I'm not sure if you can get a good advice or solution from the Western culture.
I wish you the best in your pursuit.
Mohammedridha Alaskari
The reason of posting this question in English is to get advice by westerns because most of their countries used to have kind of same issue in my country long time back, and now most of the western countries they live in peace & sustainability.
I believe Arab failed to make arab world much better, you can see what we earned from ARAB SPRING !!
More bloody Arab nation..
So sorry to say so, but it is the truth my friend..
Arkady Grudzinsky 50+
When Mahatma Gandhi was asked, "what do you think of Western civilization?", he answered: "I think, it's a good idea." I don't think Arabs are lacking anything. It just takes time.
Mohammedridha Alaskari
Its been a long time, Arab still remain in same stage, this is my point of view, I might be wrong, or right..
I also agree with what Mahatma said; Western civilization is good idea!
Frank Barry
You may be right. I may have a figment of my imagination working overtime.
I bet you nickles to donuts that you will not research the facts.
Not that you won't find anything. Just that you won't do the work.
But, you might prove me wrong. I doubt it.
Sleep on...
Arkady Grudzinsky 50+
Mohammedridha Alaskari
I think you meant: because they are human without a force to impose the law enforcement on them?
walter crockett
Mohammedridha Alaskari
Arkady Grudzinsky 50+
Mohammedridha Alaskari
I disagree with your point of view about Sunni - Shiite feud..
We never had this before invasion, I was born in 1986 i never seen the violence between Sunni & Shiite before 2004, this violence was created due to the incorrect policy of the occupation forces in Iraq.
Arkady Grudzinsky 50+
It is not sufficient to witness less than 30 years of history to make the conclusion that you make. I'm not familiar with the history of Islam and Iraq, but I'm sure that a look into few centuries back in history of the region will explain a lot. Hitler did not invent antisemitism. It existed in Europe for centuries before Hitler and goes back to Roman empire.
By the way, try to do some soul-searching. What group do you belong to ethnically and religiously? How do you view people from other groups? Who, do you think, al Qaeda is? It can be your neighbor - a person just like you. I'm not blaming you for the violence - I'm saying that the attitudes that cause the violence start within our own heart.
Mohammedridha Alaskari
it was good preview and good information for me but I already know more of it..
to answer your questions no need for some soul-searching; ethnically I'm from the south of Iraq but I would rather not to answer second question with the details you want, I would say I just believe in God, I divide people as follow: people love the life & people hate it. And I'm from the first group..
I don't think alqaeda will be my neighbor because they will kill me for sure..
as you said, "attitudes that cause the violence start within our own heart" so what you think about alqaeda's attitude?
Arkady Grudzinsky 50+
There. I think, you named it. I believe, such mental division of people into "good" and "evil" categories is the source of violence. Of course, you are on the "good" side. That's what everyone thinks :-) Why do you think al Qaeda will kill you for sure? Is it because THEY THINK that you would kill them for sure? What's the solution? I think, both you and al Qaeda need to stop thinking this way to stop the violence. And this is the tough part. You might say, "I can stop thinking that way, but how do I make sure THEY stop thinking that way" or, maybe, you are sure that they will NOT stop thinking this way. I don't have an answer for you, but this is how I see the problem.
Here is an interesting article http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2006/2006-7.pdf. I myself believe in God. I had a debate on an atheist forum arguing against atheists who claimed that religion causes violence. They sent me a link to this article. However, the article does not show correlation between homicide rates and religion. What it does show is a strong correlation between "dualistic" world view and homicide rates. "Dualistic world view" means dividing people into "good" and "evil" as I mentioned above. I think it's this mentality, not religion that's causing a problem. For example, in the Soviet Union that was officially atheistic, propaganda divided people by ideologies. Millions of people were declared "enemies of the people" and exterminated in camps, and the world was on the edge of a nuclear disaster for decades. Nazis viewed Jews as evil, etc.
There is no simple answer to your question, but I think, we must search the answer within ourselves.
Arkady Grudzinsky 50+
What you suggested earlier sounds like a good idea: "More peace, more love for each other, respect for others views though opinions different & MORE EDUCATION "
Mohammedridha Alaskari
You are right, those factors affecting the situation but the 4 things are been developing but it doesn't meet the requirements of the current situation, and it is not the main cause of the violence.
I believe the main factor in the violence in Iraq is the unstable political & security situation. Many thanks for your comments it is been so useful.
Mohammedridha Alaskari
Foreign are developing the infrastructure, they have nothing to do with political situation in Iraq, it's between Iraqis themselves but I would recommend the UN to be engaged in this case to settle down the dispute .
to answer your question: extremist are bombing the civilian
Ken brown 30+
Frank Barry
Since 1945 -- US Presidents ignored Congress when deciding to make WAR.
US President's use questionable constitutional executive authority to initiate WAR.
US President's ask Congress to appropriate monies to pay for WAR after the fact.
Appropriations that pay for (Non-stop) "Preemptive Wars upon other nation shores."
Media propaganda then and now, that label America as "the world's peacekeeper", is a lie.
Americans have no realistic idea of the (Secret) WARS created by US President's lies.
The WMD reason for George W. Bush's WAR against Iraq was later exposed, as a lie.
Colin Powell's integrity, folded like a cheap suit, when he tried to sell to the United Nations,
the WMD lie.
American voters have become co-conspirators with the US Presidents they elect and re-elect.
As you can see, I hate WARS, and those idiots that start them.
Arkady Grudzinsky 50+
Despite the popular American belief, America is not the center of the world. Many countries have problems not caused by U.S. policies.
Frank Barry
You're right, and you've won the HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD award.
Thank you.
Arkady, We have a few problems developing today, here in America.
US foreign policies effect Americans.
Policies soon become dictates. with threats of WAR should some country
not change it's policies.
Americans are daily fed a diet of Media garbage suggesting we should
be ready to slay the monsters lurking beyond our borders.
After 6 decades of such garbage, you would think Americans would have
had enough. Not so.
The voters continue to back the hawks of WAR.
Everything in America's open and transparent government is a SECRET.
Get out your calculators -- Homeland Security has in the last 18 months
ordered Billions of bullets and 2600 new armored vehicles.
"Surprise" the Social Security Administration bought 1.5 Million bullets themselves.
More guns and ammo than we could have used in 10 years of fighting WARS in Iraq.
Where on earth do they plan to use these weapons? The Mexican border?
Disneyland?
I apologize if my information is wrong. A check with the Congressional Record
might clear it up. There are a couple Senators upset with these purchases.
There is gossip that Homeland Security's Janet Napolitano will be running for
President in 2016. Will these purchases help her to get elected?
Arkady Grudzinsky 50+
The data on buying bullets is without sources or context. Where did you get the data that Social Security Administration is buying bullets? I'm not sure what to make out of this statement without reading more.
Although you hate wars, what you say is not far from what you criticize: "Americans are daily fed a diet of Media garbage suggesting we should
be ready to slay the monsters lurking beyond our borders." You seem to suggest that the monsters are inside our borders. But the message is, essentially, the same. I have a far more sensational news for you: "The Phantom of the Opera is here, inside your mind".
Ben Jarvis 50+
Arkady Grudzinsky 50+
This is a correlation, not a causality. Why do people join AQI? That's the question. Apparently, they resort to violence to resolve some issues. You say it yourself, "we need to focus on the real issues". What are the issues in your opinion?
I have a coworker from Iraq. After talking to him, it seems to me that the religious differences between Sunni and Shia are at the center of the internal conflict as they are in Syria. There are also tensions between Arabs and Kurds. It seems to me that instead of focusing on issues, people focus on religious and ethnic differences and falsely blame each other for the issues. Blaming violence on Al Qaeda is just finding another culprit.
Focus on similarities, not the differences and attack the problems, not each other.
Michael Evartz
carolyn mcauley 10+
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Focusing on the police force is like addressing the problem after it has arisen.
The focus must not be on traditional policing methods for they can never solve the problem.
The police force cannot extinguish the fire burning in peoples hearts.
The security forces are trying to extinguish a forest fire with a child's water pistol.
In order to unlearn this perception great patience is needed. There is no immediate solution available.
All I can offer is for you to have patience and peace of mind by understanding that a small step today is a great achievement and that many small steps together will change things for the better, but perhaps not in our lifetimes.
Mohammedridha Alaskari
Many thanks for your comment. Sure we need to have more patience, but in the same time we are looking forward to make a huge step forward by finding another solutions to develop our country.
Ken brown 30+
Obviously i have limited information of Iraq's current issues but the old men who are not religious or who leave it up to other more loud mouthed men are usually the wise ones? Hot blood can turn each man against his neighbor. Reach into the blood lines, find the old ones.
Mohammedridha Alaskari
http://maxexpat.blogspot.com/2013/03/iraq-in-focus-after-tenth-anniversary.html
if possible please to tell me if this article was helpful..
Jim Ryan
Is the Ayatollah Shia?
Mohammedridha Alaskari
Shiites are the overwhelming majority in Iraq .. No doubt they control the bulk of the government
The Ayatollah for Both, I mean the are religious leaders for Sunni & Shiite as well.
Ken brown 30+
Who's bombing who? Maybe Iraq needs to expel all foreigners for a small time to work out what it wants. The foreign states will comply or be backed into a position that would affect their profile.
Edit = Microsoft, bloody buggers, trick you into changing over to a supposedly better system of email and skype and now i don't get any comment alerts from this site.....typical, just like elections. Yes, thanks, it did help.
Jim Ryan
How can anything we say or do make a difference, unless justice were worth more than money?
Actually justice is worth a lot more, but most that want to lead do so for money, along with those they make promises to, to get them into those positions. However, once that's done, the entire population becomes corrupted in a vast amount of ways. When that is done, real intelligence suffers throughout the entire culture, because without justice and the truth, there is only a tiny amount of real learning, compared to what it should be.
That leads to a sickness throughout the entire population.
If you want to be a leader, you will have to get your people to tax themselves, get them to agree to accepting more and more gov control over themselves, help to dumb down school children so they offer no intelligent threat to expose the fully corrupt gov and corporations, as the media directs the concert, demonizes whomever and whatever.
Fully corrupt people control and they always will, because they will do whatever it takes, even to murder and dumbing down most all children.
Ken brown 30+
pat gilbert 50+
I want to switch the direction of this conversation as most us are really stupid about this subject.
What would you propose?
What do you think of Rory Stewart? (this guy is awesome)
http://www.ted.com/talks/rory_stewart_time_to_end_the_war_in_afghanistan.html
Can you tell me about the viewpoint of the Iraqi people on the street?
I must say seeing voters brave the dangers to pursue their liberty was awesome and made me misty eyed, but that may be more conjecture than reality?
It seems like the answer should come from the bottom up?
And that it basically boils down to communication?
And that people never have higher communication than when they are trading at the market place? How can Iraq trade with the world?
My neighbor is Iraqi and a doctor as are all of his 5 brothers. Once his brothers were visiting and asked if they could take a picture of my house that was tented for termites at the time. They wanted to show people back home how big the tents were in America. 8^)
What does Iraq want? What do the Iraqi people want?
Mohammedridha Alaskari
pat gilbert 50+
Mohammedridha Alaskari
This is incredible facts!
pat gilbert 50+
What do you suggest?
What does Iraq want?
Mohammedridha Alaskari
- I would suggest to reassess our current situation & suggest better solutions..
- More peace, more love for each other, respect for others views though opinions different & MORE EDUCATION
pat gilbert 50+
No matter how you figure it this is a extremely difficult and dangerous endeavor, as if you did not know this...
I think the answer is to emulate other successes in history.
Rule number one, this has to be from the bottom up. Al Qaeda is from the bottom up?
In this country before the revolution there was much talk about what the country should become. This was done through the Federalist Papers and the Anti Federalist Papers. This eventually evolved into the Constitution.
You cannot create a future through force it has to be through Communication and Education this has to be from the bottom up. People have very high communication when they are in the market place. Ideologies simmer down when people trade.
If you want some more ideas email me.
pat gilbert 50+
If there is only one thing there is only indoctrination (which is also a problem in the U.S.) by authoritarian teachers.
I would suggest the below secular book as a comparison to cultural beliefs. It has been well received in other parts of the world and has actually changed cultural beliefs for the better. It is cheap and available in Arabic
http://www.thewaytohappiness.org/thewaytohappiness.html
Mohammedridha Alaskari
pat gilbert 50+
Also this page may be of some interest
http://www.thewaytohappiness.org/programs/crisis-zones.html
Also this white paper on how to fight the corruption you mentioned earlier:
http://www.brianpinkowski.com/BrianPinkowski/Home_files/New-Tools-For-Fighting-Corruption-in-Organizations-WP1Fin.pdf
pat gilbert 50+
I scanned the white paper, it contains the answer to what you are looking for.
I alluded to this earlier, you have an organizational problem.
Any organization has to define it's purpose and what it produces, it then has to make it's policy known and that the employees get corrected on this policy. If the policy does not exist the worker is FORCED to make his own policy. Which of course leads to corruption or at the very least decay of the government.
You may think this only applies to Iraq, it does not as this is the VERY problem we have in the U.S.. The country is decaying from a lack of policy being being used. Starting with the VERY fundamental point of what is the main product that a government is supposed to produce.
The reason for the sucess of this country in the past was having the policy known and used and what the main product of the government is. This policy is called the Constitution. So you see how important having policy and getting it used is?
This white paper is EXACTLY what you are looking for. Do you understand this?
Mohammedridha Alaskari
This awesome. I may need to read the last clause one more time, It may change the way I'm thinking ..
Many thanks Pat.
pat gilbert 50+
Write back and let us know how it is going.
carolyn mcauley 10+
Mohammedridha Alaskari
Yes it dangerous and hard job. but, for the ones who working in the security field they are using armoured vehicles and moving in convoys n the country to get their job done and they know very well how to protect themselves because they already know the are targeted by extremist group, etc..
But for the civilian it is most dangerous, as you know it is not easy to protect other life facilities like public markets, religious centers, bus stations. enemies (extremists) mostly attacking easy target like the public areas, schools, its not easy for them to attack well-protected places like governal properties, foreign companies..
Here in Iraq for example, we have kind of religious music and films mostly. We cannot use music in the attractive places because we have (a lot) of uneducated people they may get upset because of that. On the other hand we are faced with angry community because of widespread unemployment and an acute shortage of life facilities such as electricity, water and amenities, all those factors help to incite dissatisfaction with the performance of local governments. On other hand some people don't appreciate what Iraqi Security forces job as a result of the to the bad security conditions in the country. people need to change their ideas about the security employees. media needs to spread new ideas about the role of security departments and armed forces in law enforcement and spreading peace in the country.
Jim Ryan
Maybe----- telling them---- is not smart. Perhaps you could just say, from what the world proves, instead of TELLING him. Let the Ayatollah understand that the holy men should not be soiled by all the corruption that will be aimed at the people in the government, by other governments and outsiders and that the holy men should watch over the gov, for the sake of all. That way the gov and religions work together, to keep the hearts and minds of the gov and people, safe.
Mohammedridha Alaskari
Jim Ryan
Essentially what you will be advocating, is using the clergy to watch over the gov, because the gov is most at risk for corruption that is seen in every government. You could blame the corruption on outsiders, because you don't want those in your gov seeing you as blaming them for corruption, even if some are.
However, the gov now in power might have some or a lot of corrupt people that don't want the holy men watching them. Some in the gov may want to kill you for saying such.
So as I see it, your country must revert back to a dictatorship, if the Americans leave. If the Americans don't leave, you will have a corrupt gov that is dominated by one sect or like most all other gov's, all will be corrupt in the name of the people they represent.
Corrupt people and honest people cannot work together. Corrupt people only look out for themselves and their supporters. Honest people look out for all.