Caela Burrell

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If you try to fail and you succeed, what have you accomplished?

This question reminds me about the liar paradox often discussed in Ancient Greece.

In my opinion, there are two possible contexts related to this question: You try to fail, and you succeed at failing. So in this sense, you have achieved success through failure. The other context is that you try to fail, and you fail to do so meaning you have succeeded. However, overall, you have achieved failure through success.

  • Mar 24 2013: You've succeeded as a failure. Duh!

    Now get back to painting the walls in you parent's basement!
    [Please excuse my bad attempt at humor]
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    Mar 19 2013: This is very interesting!

    I think in that case you have successfully failed in your mission. You originally set out to fail and you have achieved your goal (of failing). On the flip side, it means that you had a plan which is good becuase you can retrace your steps and know how you succeeded. You now what failure is and what leads to it. Therefore, in future you will know how to succeed with better results. But this is learning, the long and hard way.
  • Mar 26 2013: You may have accomplished accidental discovery.
  • Mar 23 2013: trying involves some effort and planning, so in either case you would have gained experience and hopefully be wiser for your next attempt at whatever it is to be.
  • Mar 16 2013: Nothing. It's all about one's intention,
    Even though it may sound unconvincing, fundamentally success depends on one's perspective.

    You fail to fail no matter what.
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    Mar 16 2013: failure.
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    Mar 16 2013: Life
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    Mar 29 2013: You learn something ... always....
  • Mar 29 2013: Frankly I don't like questions about the concepts of success and failure. How do you know success?We never know the word unless we go through failure. That is, relation between success and failure close each other. To solutions to succeed or not to ways to fail doesn't matter what can be true. Appropriate things we have to do are simply trying to hard to just do plans with proud for you and continue to go.
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    Mar 29 2013: You have succeeded in failing to succeed.
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    Mar 29 2013: Success.

    Language can trick human mind easily in this case. If you try to do action 'A' and you succeed, it means that you've succeeded at 'A'. Action A being a desire to fail, if one would fail successfully, he would have succeeded in achieving his goal. At the same time, if one would fail at failing, he would have succeeded because of failing his goal, which is 'to fail'.
  • Mar 28 2013: If the question is meant in the first context mentioned then you have successfully failed and accomplished the purpose you set out to, whatever that was, that included you failing at this particular task. If we are answering the question in the second context listed, then you have just learned a new way to succeed at the task you endeavored to fail at. That seems like an accomplishment to me. Or maybe your simply infallible and couldn't fail if you tried.
  • Mar 26 2013: If you have to try to fail, it would mean that you have been successful in everything that you attempted prior to that. If that be true, you have never failed in anything, unless you tried to. And when you succeed in failing by attempting to, you would have achieved the near impossible, the ability to do anything you want. In other words you are God.
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    Mar 26 2013: You have achieved success through failure, means you have learned from your experiences of failures and have succeed. You were never really trying to fail.
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    Mar 23 2013: Winning or losing while fighting for something we really want to achieve means we always win. How could it be? Well, considering the simple detail that when we aren't stuck doing nothing or seeing life pass through our eyes, but we're doing something, we're gaining experience, changing concepts, becoming a better person (or not). We're on a continuous changing, and that changes are triggered by these actions of ours. Winning or losing? Just a matter of self concept.
  • Mar 23 2013: Huh? So thats your conclusion from what I stated in this conversation? I must sound like charlie browns teacher wah wah wah wah. You can understand and comprehend ones view without agreeing with it.... Your last comment assumes I'm religous or something. I don't know what gave you that idea..... Hmm...
  • Mar 22 2013: Wth....You guided you..... Its your choice.... We were just afforded this chance to be on this rock to make these decisions how ever many billions of years after the great enabler enabled it or do u think this is all just a lucky dice roll.......
  • Mar 22 2013: It is paradox because it has different criterion .It looks like that A is taller than B just as B is shorter than A.
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      • Mar 22 2013: Which one of them is true depens on the fact .What do you define the word "success" is the key to determine whether you are success or fail !
      • Mar 22 2013: We already determined that A is the tallest. All we know is C and B are shorter than A. I got $5 on C. Place ur bets! Spin the wheel.......
      • Mar 22 2013: This statement is certainly correct .This question is a waste of your being.Do you Love your Life?Is this statement beautifully correct?xxx
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    Mar 21 2013: Why do you care about accomplishing anything when the goal was to fail? :)
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      • Mar 22 2013: Accomplishments are totally subjective. But really the only answer is they accomplished nothing.
    • Mar 22 2013: There could be a number of reasons to fail. Bring down the average? I bet what happened was they didn't bother reading the questions and blindly marked the multiple choice scantron and got hella lucky. Why else would somebody fail to fail. I swear I think I heard that happen one time................. nah...... But it could have.
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    • Mar 22 2013: To say god is good or evil is like saying nature is good or evil. It giveth and it taketh. Thats my god. From the one bacame the physical spiritual hybrid. Conscious light in physical form........at least thats how i could say it in my comic book. But it sounds like I'm just trying to sound cool. I could word it differently.but i do believe it.
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        • Mar 22 2013: God, I would say, is a collective of all things seen and unseen. The great enabler.
        • Mar 22 2013: We cannot answer all questions we raised!
          Capacity is one thing and logic is another thing!
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        • Mar 22 2013: exactly. thats why were here having this conversation. one who enabled all the consequential steps necessary for us to be here right now having this conversation. Justifying drug use or lack thereof is an adult decision and I would never judge or look down upon for ones own choices..... But yeah.... The great enabler.
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        • Mar 22 2013: Wth!....You guided you..... Its your choice.... We were just afforded this chance to be on this rock to make these decisions how ever many billions of years after the great enabler enabled it or do u think this is all just a lucky dice roll.......
    • Mar 22 2013: Or She gave her children infinite freedom to become infinitexxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Mar 20 2013: I haven't accomplished anything. That's my final answer........ unless a logical argument be made that states otherwise.
  • Mar 20 2013: The answer is nothing
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    Mar 19 2013: Depends on what your goal is. Sometimes trying to fail, can be in your advantage, for instance when you don't want the job, but they want you on the job, you could try to praise someone on his abilities, so that way they choose him. To the outside world you failed, but you,...you succeeded in failing. Mission accomplished :)

    Then again, depends on the mindset. Negative-minded persons will try their best to fail, because they don't believe in their selves, so basically it's subconscious. There's a lack of self-confidence. In this case, there's nothing accomplished, it's just self-destruction.

    Accomplishing something implies, I believe, a willing action of oneself to achieve something, to work towards a goal. whether that be failing or succeeding.

    About the trying to fail and you fail to do so. It's a proof that language says nothing yet everything about reality... It has nothing to do with the outside world, but with our inner-way of thinking and creating.
  • Mar 19 2013: You have failed in your try. If you wanted to fail, and you succeed, which is not what you wanted, then you have failed right? So you have not accomplished anything!!!

    But in another way, you wanted to fail and you failed in succeeding, then you accomplished your goal because you at least failed in something.

    It's a very debatable topic! It is called a rhetorical question (a question that has no reasonable answer)!!!
    • Mar 20 2013: I don't think it is debatable. I came to the same conclusion. I think , unless proven otherwise, this logic is correct. This person isn't gonna take any failure. That would be a cheap way out and totally unsatisfying. I think were right.
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    Mar 19 2013: If you try to fail and you succeed, what have you accomplished?

    Answer to your question is simple, You haven't accomplished nothing. But if you are determined to finish your goal you will start again, and maybe this time you will have even bigger chance for accomplishment.
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    Mar 19 2013: You tried and failed in one aspect, but succeeded in another. So you would have done both at the same time. Sounds like a happy problem to me.
  • Mar 18 2013: Failing to succeed in failure must feel way worse than failing in trying to succeed. I wouldnt wish that on nobody and i mean nobody.
  • Mar 18 2013: I got it. Now,on your list of accomplishments and achievements you can place your "Failure to Fail at something" award. Since your original plan was to fail and you succeeded , you have failed but since this is not the failure you were so desperately trying to succeed in it does not count and you should definitely feel like s#!t, maybe with the right training and hard work you'll succeed in that failure next year. Success is reaching ones own aspirations. failure is reaching someone else's.
  • Mar 18 2013: Falure and success are very much subjective. That vagrant right there, living under the bridge could very well prefer his lifestyle to yours because s/he been there and done that and it just wasnt there thing. You feel?
  • Mar 18 2013: What you set out to do in the first place. Fail. Succeeding is totally subjective i guess you could say.
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    Mar 18 2013: Life is in itself a teacher. Nobody is above mistake, there is no perfect formula, and things dont always go as planned or as thought.
    So, if you try to fail and succeed, in that instance things have gone your way!
    • Mar 19 2013: How so? They went the opposite of your intended result. Failing to succeed in failure is different than succeeding to fail. This failure does not count towards his intended accomplishment which was trying to fail.maybe they shouldn't try so hard next time.
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        Mar 19 2013: Nathan, I think that if you try to fail and you succeed, then you must have succeeded at failing because that is what you set out to do initially. In that case the success is an excellence in failure.
        • Mar 20 2013: It would have only been successfull had s/he failed. S/he did not succeed in there goal therefore no accomplishment could have been made. So the answer is "Nothing". This is to be kept as a totally seperate entity from the experience one gains from just being involved(to say that learning from your mistakes is an accomplishment does not work because that goes without saying)
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    Mar 18 2013: Life is in itself a teacher. Nobody is above mistake, there is no perfect formula, and things dont always go as planned or as thought.
    So, if you try to fail and succeed, in that instance things have gone your way!
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    Mar 18 2013: In the context of arranged marriages prevalent in may countries, at times it so happens that the girl who is not ready to marry or does not like the prospective groom, does all that she can to fail to make an impression, but in so many cases, it so happens that the relationship clicks, the marriage crosses many a milestones.

    Thus at times, if it is our destiny, no matter how hard we try to fail, we succeed.Now the question :what you accomplished ?
    The truth that there is ONE WHO HAS IT ALL PLANNED OUT !
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    Mar 18 2013: Failing to try is failure
    • Mar 18 2013: They are trying though, just maybe too hard.....
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        Mar 19 2013: Are they? Perhaps...

        I was merely pointing out my observation of what I believe failure to be.
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    Mar 17 2013: G'day Caela

    There is no such thing as failing unless you see it that way because one can learn by failing just as much as one can learn from succeeding, actually one can lean more from failing so to fail isn't necessarily failing only in the initial intention of the supposed outcome.

    I used to tell my disabled clients in class to have never made a mistake is to have never learnt as one can only truly learn through mistakes so it's OK to make mistakes.

    This question you have ask Caela is in the same context, by failing to fail in one's quest one has learnt how not to succeed which isn't a failure after all one just can't fail unless you see it as a failure!!

    Love
    Mathew
  • Mar 16 2013: its a good question.you still dont know what you want.but its celar that succeeding is good thing for every one.

    but try achieves what you want.
    try achieves what you want
    try achieves what you want
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    Mar 16 2013: Caela, what exactly does this question mean to you? Can you give context?
  • Mar 16 2013: You have likely succeeded in promoting a bad habit.
  • Mar 15 2013: and you accomplishment pertains to whatever the present situation calls for being accomplished so unless you give me an example i can't tell you what you accomplished or what you didn't
  • Mar 15 2013: you failed because your initial intent was to fail but you failed to fail not a paradox
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    Mar 15 2013: You may need to clarify that with an example. Why are you trying to fail? And at what?

    I can see attempting an endeavor with an expectation that you may fail.... and then being rewarded with success.

    The first thing that comes to mind with this questions (But I believe I may be misunderstanding what you are asking) is that when you succeed BEFORE failure then you accidentally learn nothing. As an example of something simple. Lets say you bought a new appliance for your house and as you assembled it per the instructions you put it together. Everything works great. A week later you want a second one and go through the same procedure only to find out it will not assemble. On close inspection you notice that one of the pieces can be installed 2 different ways. Only one way is correct and the other is incorrect. In your first attempt you just picked up the piece and happened to luckily install it correctly. The second time you tried it, you got the piece installed incorrectly and spent hours trying to figure our the problem.

    I actually find this initial type of success very dangerous. I have seen business owners that had a product, sold to the market, and did very well right away. (it was that lucky hit) They then believed they were impervious to failure and moved on to larger projects. They then meet with disaster..... This is counterpointed with the individual that is first met with failure in business, learns their lesson, and then builds a successful business on sound principles.

    I am not sure if this is what you may have been asking, especially since you were asking about aiming for failure.
    • Mar 18 2013: No example is necessary because it will be subject to your own paradigm.
  • Mar 15 2013: You have experienced failure in your life which is what you accomplished.

    It reminds me:once I discussed a topic with my friend about Taoism:I said :a master has experienced all difficulties then at last he has been enlighten ,it also meant he laid down everything being empty.And what differnces between the Taonist and an idiot?my friend said:the differences between them:the Taoist has experiened all then can come back again.it means a flawless circle also means perfect.It means got Taoism.An idiot has nothing.