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The modern-day job market is a modern-day slave market.

When people need to be at a particular place and time and do what is required of them by other people in order to obtain money to stay alive, that is slavery. The 99% of the population are enslaved to the 1% wealthiest part of the population. People, like giraffes, are born to be free. This type of enslavement causes social ills, individual unhappiness and insanity.

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    Mar 13 2013: The natural conclusion of the economic growth model we currently adhere to, IS that we are all slaves to whichever profit engineering entity we happen to subscribe to. For those of us who still remember what 'family', 'community' and 'nature' mean to us as energy beings, this is a recipe for perpetual suffering and the pressure increases marginally daily. I advocate, in our current times of stress, a policy of total passive resistance. Unite with community to resist the politics and processes of profiteering or greed, in every small way possible. Grind the greed machine to a halt. The force of numbers and our humanity is all we have. Burn baby burn.
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      Mar 13 2013: nice to see your back on Joanne :)


      I agree as well..no need to resort to violence...by simply not engaging in the political process it will put more pressure on politicians to change..I guess one impediment to this (at least in the U.S. and maybe other democratic societies) is this need to vote everytime there is an election.

      I think people will choose the lesser of two evils, although non of the candidates may not represent their interest..this is one reason why I do not vote
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    Mar 11 2013: Well said

    Although things have dramatically improved, this does not mean that "we the people" should let our guard down. I am one of those individuals who believes that morals should be placed at a higher standard than politics. That is perhaps one of the main reason's why morals are important. Since law's have to be absolute once passed there is really nothing left that will be able to criticize such polices. Without morality, many laws and practices that would be deemed unjust, would remain so

    Sad to say, not to many politicians operate on morality. That is not the game of politics and this is something many classical political thinkers realized long ago.
    • Mar 12 2013: Orlando, Perhaps the politicians are more inclined to benefit the people who pay them and their families and friends more money, than the people they are democratically elected to serve. Let's remind them that their official actions are intended to elevate the well-being of the voters, the citizens, and not the corporate and other interests that are currently ripping off "WE THE PEOPLE." I wonder why, for example, there is hesitation to close the tax loopholes that favor corporations and individuals who are already making more than their fair share of the output of their labor and capital contributions. Consider, for example, the price of gasoline and the profits of ExxonMobil and other such companies. GM only believed in "capitalism" on the way up. GM started believing in "socialism" when their corporate managers failed to successfully compete in the free enterprise system. Hypocrisy and greed are limiting human health and happiness. Enough. Let's install truth and justice into our system or our society will disintegrate. POWER TO THE POSITIVE!
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        Mar 12 2013: Yes I agree with all of that..I just do not know how this would be accomplished because our political system is too connected with corporations to the point that if corporations fail, so will the government.
        • Mar 12 2013: Perhaps a re-design of the systems is what is appropriate. I believe we can re-design the systems to become a WIN-WIN situation for all. The current systems are mostly fear-based. I think we need to revise them to be joy-based. Let's do that. I am confident that we can accomplish this goal in a relatively short period of time. Happy Today.
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    Mar 11 2013: So true.

    Now add to that that there is no lawful way to "drop out" - if we do it in large enough numbers. Yes, you can opt out and go walk the Appalachain Trail or live in our national parks, but if too many of us do that, that freedom will be taken away.

    It is now illegal to be homeless in most of the USA (unless you have a car to sleep in). It's called vagrancy and you can be put in jail for that. In my home town, it's illegal to feed a homeless person but not a feral cat.

    Those who don't understand how our fiscal system works are those who are sheeple - begging to be fleeced and butchered while fiercely defending their right to be victimized.

    Luckily, for those who are tired of slavery, there is a way to reclaim your personhood (godhood). If you DARE, you can even help bring down our fiscal system (in your own small way). Learn about your own powers. Practice them. Manifest what you want and buy as little as possible - preferably nothing new (except food of course). Learn about what your emotions are and what they represent so that you are no longer controlled (manipulated) by peer pressure or cultural norms. Clean out your belief system so that you are not subject to mistaken beliefs, contradictory beliefs, and untested assumptions. Pay attention to the power or words, questions, and thoughts themselves. Be aware of what you think and emote throughout the day. Learn about the difference between a feeling and an emoting. (You may have done this already)

    It's all coming apart anyhow, so you might as well conceive of it as a good thing rather than a bad thing, and begin living your life more fully today. Then, when the sheeple finally wake up, you will be in a much better position to fulfill your needs - which are safety, food, clothing, shelter, and a passion that makes life well-worth living.
    • Mar 12 2013: Thank you for your input to this conversation, TED Lover. JOYOUS TODAY.
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    Mar 11 2013: you never learn anything, but from time to time, you put the same record on. you sit in privilege, in unprecedented freedom. and compare yourself to the worst possible forms of human existence. i don't know what kind of mental exercising is needed to overlook such a huge difference.
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      Mar 11 2013: Obviously, or you would have already done that mental exercising.
    • Mar 12 2013: I wonder if you are honest with yourself. I wonder if you think the word "honest" refers only to negative expressions. If you seek positive, you may find positive. Seek positive/Find positive. You may want to experiment today and see how that works for you. There are sooooooooo many positive facts in this world....right now. HAPPY TODAY.
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        Mar 12 2013: i sought positive in your original post, but found none. i've found more than century old marxism, and blatant falsehoods.
        • Mar 12 2013: Seek positive, find positive. Some people seem to think expressing negative makes them sound "wise" or "superior" or something. Perhaps you are finding what you are seeking. Since you believe you possess superior wisdom in these matters, I do not understand why you lower yourself to participate in a discussion that is so very far beneath you (in your estimation). You may find more compatible people in other conversations, where you can be effective at making our world a better place for all people using your approach to improving the world, assuming that is your goal.
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        Mar 12 2013: combating falsehood is my mission
        • Mar 12 2013: Seeking and finding and expressing and encouraging TRUTH is another approach to the same goal.
          "Combat" is a negative word (thought and feeling) and "falsehood" is a negative word (thought and feeling).
          You can "combat falsehood" and be sucked into a negative vortex.
          You can express and encourage truth and spiral upward into positive thoughts and feelings.
          Perhaps it is a habit you can intentionally develop, if you want to do that. Life might feel better and be better for you, if you persistently choose positive, whenever you have the option.
          Your choice.
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          Mar 13 2013: I wish you would examine your own falsehoods with some of the same stringency you like to apply to others. (are we ganging up on him? I hope not. I mean this lovingly)
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        Mar 12 2013: seeking truth and combating falsehood is two sides of the same coin.
        • Mar 12 2013: If you do not see the difference in approaching things in a positive, creative way versus approaching things in a negative, destructive way, that's okay. No need for further discussion. You have expressed yourself and I have expressed myself. Enough said. I wish you the best. Let us both move on.
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        Mar 12 2013: i did. for a long time. got tired. i get tired when someone is dishonest. gets on my nerves.
        • Mar 12 2013: So, I presume you are energized when someone is honest and it makes you feel good.

          You have infinite choice about what to focus on, so you may as well CHOOSE POSITIVE. It will elevate your joy level.
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        Mar 12 2013: here is my offer: i start to be more POSITIVE, and you stop talking about economics, which you clearly don't understand
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          Mar 13 2013: OFFER ACCEPTED AND APPRECIATED BY THE TED COMMUNITY!
          Krisztián will "start to be more POSITIVE"
          I LOVE it.......AND it's in writing:>)
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          Mar 14 2013: THAT is too much to ask Krisztian, but some of us might consider your deal if you alter your perecption of what constitutes 'understanding' :).
  • Mar 14 2013: People don't have much of an option besides being wage slaves. There are only a couple alternatives that I can think of; It is possible to live off of the excesses of civilization. One could join an ecological commune, or one could become a criminal. There is no gurantee of shelter and a meal with any of these alternatives but the strongest will survive. Being a wage worker the lazy and uncreative can gurantee themselves shelter and a meal. I believe you lose a little bit of yourself doing menial labor just to survive but it is survival nonetheless.
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    Mar 13 2013: Hey Orlando, this IS so nice. But coming to your dilemma. How to engage in a political process that you know is fundamentally rigged and corrupt? I would say, your actions outside that process are FAR more significant and important. Your speech, your daily interactions and your integrity probably do more work than your single vote ever could. Nga mihi and arohanui.
  • Mar 11 2013: Yes Rhona, you are dead right.

    And there is a legal way to drop out.
    First off, the Constitution isn't a piece of paper. It is actual people.
    They or rather WE, are the Constitution, so any so-called destruction of said paper doesn't have the power people are being frightened into beLIEving.
    The slavery of today is financial and it is global and enslavement is higher around the world than at any time in history.
    Solely by the financial system, everyone is a slave.
    They owe money that doesn't exist. They fork over goods with actual value for loan money that doesn't even exist. That alone is fraud.
    Money is traded (bought and sold) as a commodity and does nothing for the community as it isn't returned in some way to maintain a certain health that a monetary system needs, or should provide. That is, the value of life actually goes down. And this monetary system kills record numbers of humans just as good 'ole slavery did in its time. But hey, slavery hasn't gone out of fashion yet. There is the privatized prison system that can only survive, thrive, grow and profit with more people, more citizens being made into criminals in order to survive, i.e. capitalism.
    Today, these prisoners are traded and passed around to other prisons who need workers.
    Capitalism: eats and survives on inequality, poverty, slavery, greed and crime.
    If everyone were to realize, no one is owned by Amerika the Corporation, that each individual "I" is a free person and does not have to obey what anyone else says, orders, commands or decrees by butchered laws, then they could take over, or take back their freedom through that empowerment of action.

    In fact, ha, ha, ha, that is exactly what they will forced into doing or will cowardly shy away from.
    But it is going to happen nonetheless.
    • Mar 12 2013: Random, we have to change things to be in accordance with our positive values. I do not think our generation should indulge in further patience to achieve our positive goals. Happiness is possible for all. Let's make it happen. Thank you for expressing your true thoughts and feelings and enriching this conversation.
  • Mar 11 2013: This comment seems interesting to me. Let's see how it develops.
    • Mar 12 2013: Thank you, george. I, too, am most interested in how this conversation develops. I hope that we can change our societal systems quickly to elevate the joy level of the population. I believe life is supposed to be a positive experience for all. I know we can co-create systems that can make that happen. Let's just do it.
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    Mar 25 2013: Yes, I totally agree - and I didn't realise until I experienced workplace bullying. Now I've changed my philosophy about life. I'm debt free and work for myself - I've never been happier. It's amazing how little money you actually need - but you do need to work at keeping your costs down. I purchased a solar charger for my small appliances, such a mobile phone, I put on jumpers if it's cold rather than turn up the heating.
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    Mar 22 2013: .
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    Yes!


    To be free is easy.
    Just know what happiness is!


    (For details, see the 1st article, points 1-3, 14, at
    https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=D24D89AE8B1E2E0D&id=D24D89AE8B1E2E0D%21283&sc=documents)
  • Mar 14 2013: Thanks, Joanne, Orlando and others for your contributions to this conversation. We are making progress in elevating the joy level of our contemporaries through this expression of our true thoughts and feelings on this subject. Next, let us implement the positive ideas generated into action, so living members of our species can reap the benefits of the changes we will make to all societal systems that are relevant to this topic. Power to the positive.
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    Mar 12 2013: Oh okay, so you mean 4 will be randomly chosen for me? I would have no autonomy and no impact on my own decision, and also have no knowledge on the consequence.
    I would have to think about this.
    I mean personally what I meant when I said less choice was better, was the fact that if you have less to choose from (for instance 4 sweets rather than 100) not removing choice entirely. Which I believe is completly different from what you have suggested. I think this may where our misunderstanding lies.
    • Mar 12 2013: Bernard, I am sure we are not understanding something here, but I am not sure what that is.
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        Mar 13 2013: If you watch the Ted Talk : Barry Schwartz: The paradox of choice. You will probably understand me a lot better. :)
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    Mar 12 2013: And what alternative are you offering? I don't think people are slaves because they do have the option to leave one job for another, to move from one place to another.

    We might also say that the 1% may not be slaves to other people, but they are slaves to work, in other words they work harder than everybody else. And actually, in a way, they are slaves, too, because in order to be in the top 1% they keep serving their fellow human being, which we might say makes them slaves of a kind to their fellow humanity. If they ever stopped being of service, they would topple from the 1%.
    • Mar 12 2013: greg, I wonder what leads you to believe that the top wealthiest 1% obtained their wealth through working harder than the people who work for them or even through work. There is inheritance of wealth. There are dividends, interest. Perhaps it is sheer fear that causes some people to acquire way more money wealth than they will ever need. If corporation owners paid employees who contribute to their wealth a FAIR SHARE of the wealth (based on the true value of the services and goods produced by these employees), perhaps their fears would diminish, knowing they are not cheating people of the true value of their work product. I think we need to re-design our economic, financial, legal, medical and other systems to work fairly, efficiently and effectively. Where there is a will there is a way. Let's co-create systems that are WIN-WIN systems. We can, if we base our systems on pursuing happiness for ALL PEOPLE. I thought that's why the USA was created. Let's let go of the fear-based systems and create a joy-based society.
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        Mar 13 2013: What leads me to believe it is having known a few wealthy people, plus my own reasoning. My parents ended up pretty wealthy, but they worked like dogs all their lives, my mother still works like a dog, my father took an early grave at age 65. Their real estate agent was also successful, also worked like a dog.
        I mean, look around you, Rhona, life in the United States is pretty good. Look at the buildings, the farms, the restaurants, the roads--you think you have all that stuff because of the average $30,000-a-year employee? Believe me, I'm not putting down the 99%, everyone makes the contribution that they can, but when the 99% go home at night and veg in front of the TV, the 1% is still at their desk working.

        Even if you inherit wealth, you will still have to work to keep it intact, it doesn't magically maintain itself. Interest and dividends don't come by magic, you research your investments, you stay informed about your investments, you perhaps change your investments--all of that takes work.

        Bill Gates, for example, is renowned for hard-working twenty-hour days. Do you seriously think he could have gotten it any other way, that he just sat there and fifty billion dollars magically came to him?
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    Mar 12 2013: @Krisztián Pintér Yes I would reduce my choice in order to be happy. I mean if I had a choice of a 100 sweets then I might reduce my choice to my favourite 3, or 3 I think I may like in order to be happy (for it is more time efficient as well.)
    Or I might get someone to advise me to reduce my choice even further to get the best one for me.
    After all I will probably just be satisfied all the same whatever sweet I choose. :)
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      Mar 12 2013: wait a second, you want to eliminate options that you already did not choose. that is cheating.
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        Mar 12 2013: Wait if reducing the number of your initial choice is cheating then I'm not sure how you can reduce choice without cheating. Because all I have done is gone from 100 choices to 3 choices. To make my life easier.
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          Mar 12 2013: i did not say that. don't twist my words. i said: eliminating choices after you chose is not meaningful. how about this?: next time you want to buy sweets, the clerk will randomly select 3 for you to choose from.
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    Mar 12 2013: More choice = less happiness.
    Seems counter intuitive doesn't it?
    But true as various psychologist argue ( I mean yes you need some choice but not too "much". But choice and autonomy are different.)
    But I still feel it is unfair that a few individuals can control a majority without their best interests at heart. Yet the things is we will just synthesise happiness.
    So whatever happens the "majority" will just plod along. :)
    • Mar 12 2013: Bernard, I intend to remain optimistic that justice - and human well-being and happiness - will prevail. Anything positive is possible. Some things positive are probable. There I go again. I repeat myself a lot. That's okay. I do what I do. I say what I say. POWER TO THE POSITIVE. Happy Today to you.
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        Mar 12 2013: :)
        I mean I admit that we probably would all be a lot happy with more wealth and not being the "slaves" of that 1%.
        But the fact remains that whatever happens we would synthesise happiness (Watch Daniel Gilbert's talk : The surprising science of happiness) And that it could be possible that our "expectations" and "imagination" of the possibility of greater happiness is greater than when we actually experience "freedom". Hope that makes sense.
        The difference with me though is that I don't know whether "justice" will prevail, and whether we even need "justice". But I "hope" that Justice will prevail and pray that the world will become more equal. And that indeed will make people more happy. So yes I agree with you : I "believe" (in the literal sense) that more equality will bring more happiness for All.
        And don't worry about repeating yourself! :)
        Good day to you as well :D
        • Mar 12 2013: Thank you for expressing your true thoughts and feelings here. My highest respects to you.
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      Mar 12 2013: also less knowledge = more happiness

      it might be your way, but it is not my way
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        Mar 12 2013: That is true to a certain extent. :)
        I mean I would want more knowledge because it makes me happy, and makes me feel good about myself. But I can see where you are coming from.
        But to dwelve a little bit "deeper" into this subject : If you realized that reality was an illusion and that the "real reality" was a lot less nicer, would you leave this current "reality". (A bit like if you found out you were in the Matrix, and the real world was awful, would you leave the matrix and embrace the "truth"?)
        Sorry to get quite deep into that matter of : "Less Knowledge = More happiness". Hope you don't mind!
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          Mar 12 2013: actually, i did not intend to talk about knowledge. i wanted to make you reconsider the original statement of yours.

          to use your own argument, would you intentionally reduce the number of choices you have, in order to be happier?
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    Mar 11 2013: Following your line of thinking we could easily say that we are slaves to oxygen because we have to breathe it to survive. And it is far fetched to say the least.

    What is, perhaps, bothering you is the fact that many people work from dawn to dusk till late at night and have no time for their families (to start or to care about). It is, indeed, a huge challenge of our times, but the solution, I am affraid, lies in culture - i.e. sensitivity and the way people treat one another, not in regulations. The growing armies of coaches of all sorts who focus on the development of soft skills promise a better tomorrow in this respect. Maybe.
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      Mar 11 2013: "Yes your boss is benefiting more from your labor then you are."

      present your calculation or data
    • Mar 12 2013: ZX Style, You are "free to start your own company..." IF you have the money capital to do so, but currently the 1% are stashing the capital in their bank accounts, while they figure out what to do with it since more than all of their material needs are already met, while the majority of the world lives in poverty, deprived of the most basic items required to stay alive, much less enjoy life. Do you really think people "want to enter the job market?" Most people do it out of necessity as that being the only way to STAY ALIVE within the current system. If you think about it, most of our systems are derived from the past when monarchs felt entitled to exploit other people.
      What you have concluded is that the present system - SLAVE/MASTER - is the only system. Use your imagination, your creativity. Perhaps other relationships that don't convert innocent children into power and control freaks might work to elevate the joy level of the population. Acknowledging equality is one place to start. Happy Today.
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        • Mar 12 2013: What options do most people have to generate a money income that is required for food, housing and other basic requirements of existence than entering the job market.? The alternatives you suggest all require MONEY capital. The 1% wealthiest are hoarding all they can and sucking up as much money from the middle class and poor as they can get because they simply want more. Perhaps they are paranoid. Perhaps they feel entitled to have 17 yachts while ONE MILLION CHILDREN per year in the USA are entering poverty and tons of children and adults are homeless. Perhaps they feel their work is worth 400 times the work of the people who make the products of the companies they own. Let me know where you can obtain a "mini farm" without money. Let's have some justice. People should be paid in accordance with the value of their output. The management of General Motors who made the decisions that sunk the company and the owners and managers of failing banks deserve ............... Perhaps, instead of big salaries, huge bonuses and golden parachutes going to them, they should be obliged to pay the laborers and others they sabotaged out of their own assets. If they believe in capitalism, they should accept the consequences of being business failures rather than suck funds from innocent taxpayers to bail them out of their business incompetence.
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        • Mar 12 2013: Good points, ZX. Thanks.
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          Mar 13 2013: No ZX Style, I think you reflect one of the myths perpetuated by the corporate greed machine. 'The paper boy who became a millionaire' myth. This is directly designed to train the 99% to accept the ravages and exploitation of the 1% under the auspices, "under our system, you too can 'make it' ". These rags to riches stories are often largely fabricated or at the very least, embellished. The Harvard graduate who went from obscurity to Fortune 500? Ever hear of the old boy network? Ever hear of a homeless person attending Havard? The more accurate picture is this. Each successful Hollywood star has a close relative well positioned in the movie machine. Each wealthy business owner, had some kind of start or leg up they sometimes find it hard to acknowledge out of pride . Most often they benefit from a top education and/or are simply the son or daughter of a wealthy well connected person.