Robert Winner


This conversation is closed.

Transpacific Partnership

United States Trade Representative Ron Kirk is this week in Singapore conducting trade negoations on behalf of President Obama. These Uber secret meetings have been occuring since 2002 with US participation since 2010.

Anti-globalization advocates accuse the TPP of going far beyond the realm of tariff reduction and trade promotion, granting unprecedented power to corporations and infringing upon consumer, labor, and environmental interests

One widely republished article claims the TPP is "a wish list of the 1%" and that "of the 26 chapters under negotiation, only a few have to do directly with trade. The other chapters enshrine new rights and privileges for major corporations while weakening the power of nation states to oppose them

USTR Kirk has been challenged by many to make the details of the meeting public and accused of lack of transparency and that the US citizens should be kept informed of US trade negotiations.

Do we the citizens have a right to know what is being proposed?

What do we know ....

  • thumb
    Mar 9 2013: The TPP is a grab by the multinationals, a Pacific Rim Takeover. Big Pharma who want to impose their copyrights clauses on the countries that are silly (like my country) who want to be involved.

    Your country is the Carrot that these multinationals are dangling in front of us smaller nations. I'm all for free trade and would like to see American made in our shops, just to break the monotony but not at the cost of the medicine we source far more cheaply than what Big Pharma wants us to use or adhering to another countries copyright and patent laws.

    The TPP will affect everyone and it will affect the net as well, it's a bad deal, a very bad deal. Only a small few will benefit, not the overall business community of the 21 countries involved, there will be no trickle down effect at all.
    • thumb
      Mar 9 2013: I suspect your right as far as I can see it will eliminate traiffs and impose intellectual property clauses that favor big businesses.
  • thumb
    Mar 9 2013: The only information the government has a right to keep from the people is military battle strategies and the safe combination at Fort Knox.
    • thumb
      Mar 9 2013: Funny story about troop movements. The wife of the Commander at Mt Home was shopping at Safeway and the clerk ask her while checking out if her husband was going on the deployment. She went home ask her husband .... he called the communications squadron and sure enough there was a movement message he had not seen yet. Very ungood.

      I always enjoy the briefings outside of the senate chambers with a classified sign in the background when the senator tells what they were discussing.

      Remember ... this is the most transparent administration ever ... Obama promised it would be.

      Thanks for the reply.
      • thumb
        Mar 9 2013: Wait. What? Webster's defines transparent as; "without guile or concealment; open; frank; candid." If that is true I should be able to contact my Senator who will readily relay to me the whole story on the TPP. I will set that process in motion this morning, but I must say I don't anticipate an "open, frank, candid" response anytime soon.
  • thumb
    Mar 9 2013: Of course. I did not know this took place. Does this mean that China and other countries have negotiated the value of the Chinese currency and agreed to China keeping their currency tied to the dollar?
    • thumb
      Mar 9 2013: It is a a proposed free trade agreement under negotiation by (as of December 2012) Australia, Brunei, Chile, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the United States, and Vietnam.

      In the NAFTA agreement it related to tariffs and Intellectual property.

      It is so secret that as far as I can tell from the articles only Obama, Kirk, and the participating countries even kinow what it says. One article said there was a leak some time back and that is where the note about the 1%ers dream come true came from.

      Pat ... I am really lost on this one. Another secret agenda in what was promised to be the most transparent administration ever ..... wish that was funny. Bob.
      • thumb
        Mar 9 2013: I can't help but wonder how much of this is conspiracy and how much is reality. Oh the other hand I have no doubt that at least some of this does occur certainly in the case of George Soros.

        I just have a hard time believing that psychotics like Soros do much long term planning or do much team work.
        • thumb
          Mar 9 2013: Point of order sir. Based on your wording you seem to think conspiracy and reality are mutually exclusive. That is not correct. Please clarify.
        • thumb
          Mar 9 2013: Pat, If I was half as smart as I wish I were ... I would watch for some Congressmen that will be needed to pass this and watch their stock investments.

          Years ago it was always follow for a woman to bring the mighty down ... now it is follow the money / investments. Yeah your probally right Soros is probally involved. Wonder if his Soros Investment Fund would give any clues.

          Nancy Polsi will probally give it away by a one off large investment ..... again.
      • thumb
        Mar 9 2013: Ed the definition of conspiracy infers secrecy and that all of the information is not known. When there is a lack of information as you know people fill in the vacuum of information with all kinds of speciousness. This applies to both the left and the right.
      • thumb
        Mar 9 2013: Bob that is interesting does anyone follow that? I wonder if Congress is above the freedom of information act as well? I suppose Pelosi and Obama would quick to declare everything sensitive war information...
        • thumb
          Mar 9 2013: When Pelosi got caught making a killing on insider information on VISA ... she was on the committee that made the favorable decision that made the stock skyrocket so she called her stockbroker prior to the information being released ... thus buying low and selling really high. Even though there was a big stink ... it was determined she did nothing wrong. It is only wrong and a prison sentence if anyone outside of congress does it.

          Since congress has the authority to classify information ... it would take it out of the freedom of information act.

          I am not saying that all of Congress is dirty ... however having access to that information and the ability to cash in on it through stocks, bonds, lobbying, contractors, etc .. the list goes on ... is always present.

          We really need to reel in this elite crap that congress enjoys including all of the bennies and perks. I was under the impression they worked for us and that representing us was a service.
      • thumb
        Mar 9 2013: Man this would be a great tool if we could take someone like Pelosi and hold her feet to the fire, kinda brings a tear to my eye. This seems like a project for Glen Beck or the Drudge report something.

        As pointed out in a past thread Lincoln himself pulled this crap.