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## If it is Impossible to reach true zero Temperature and Vacuum then it is Impossible to prove real zero.

Having that been said, Absolute zero in math doesn't Exist ? So zero is -0 +0 have to exist doesn't this prove more?

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## Closing Statement from Steven Walters

So we can change zero ( Depends on spin and is zero Positive or Negative) Gives a whole new meaning to PI

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• #### edward long100+

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Mar 5 2013: Thermodynamic methods cannot remove 100% of the energy from a material sample. That is why we cannot reach Absolute Zero. Kinetic Energy remains in the sample and becomes a Quantum (sub-atomic) Physics issue. In math where the position of a numeral indicates multiples in that assigned value, zero means "this multiple has no units". Zero is located half-way between +1 and -1. What do you mean by the term, "real zero"? Many people think (wrongly) that "zero" is same as "nothing". In math zero is an actual quantity, a real unit of measure. Remember, the Roman Empire collapsed because they had no concept of zero.
• #### Steven Walters

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Mar 6 2013: Quantum singularity is not Possible. But Mathematically zero point of a Black Hole? But from my understanding is Absolute zero! And if we can achieve Absolute zero we can Create a black hole.
• #### edward long100+

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Mar 6 2013: Your subject is evolving away from the original post about zero. You say you have an idea that since we cannot achieve Absolute Zero (100% absence of Heat) AND cannot achieve a Perfect Vacuum (100% absence of Matter) then we cannot prove "real zero". That is not true. The concept of zero is no more difficult to grasp than the concept of four. Black Holes do not play a part in understanding and proving zero.

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