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what would planet earth be like if we had no privacy, whatsoever?

whether we like it or not, privacy is slowly becoming something of the past, even if by illegal means such as hackers hacking into private databases or mobile phones, or by social networking where we actually voluntarily give out our personal information.

not to mention advertising agencies on the internet tracking every website we go to via cookies.

let me say, most people would agree that we are entitled to privacy. in fact there are laws that ensure we have privacy.

however, consider what the benefits would be for having no privacy.

would illegal activities stop, for fear of being caught?

or, would we just become more accepting that illegal activities occur, and not do anything about it?

how do you imagine a world where everything we do is on for show?

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  • Mar 23 2013: There are no benefits to no privacy. As we say in the hood "its all bad".
  • Mar 23 2013: Just viewing something has a physical effect to its behavior.
  • Mar 22 2013: The fake shit would really come out. Imagined the mind games people play now... It would be way worse... Maybe
  • Mar 22 2013: There already Getting people use to the idea of constantly having your GPS on. Hell bag. Its messed up when Theres so many laws made to where practically everyone is breaking a law at any time of everyday. Its crazy. Thats a whole Lotta people top be watching and you know its Goma be there poor folks who get jacked with the most but something like that couldn't last before people would revolt.
  • Mar 14 2013: There you go, I think things as simple as that would do. Cover up the camera and microphone. Of course, cell phones themselves might become more natural and integrated. Google glass and e-paper watches come to mind for starters, and then leapmotion and a few other devices, as well. It might be more complicated than just a sticker over the interface to prevent hacking/surveillance concerns. If the device can use IR sensors, SONAR, or even RADAR, maybe they could "see" without the visible light from a camera aperture, but rather from a sensor hidden under the devices covering. Manufacturers, it seems would be required to give transparency to consumers, or at the very least, the tear-down Youtubers will have to up their game.

    It seems to me that technology will police itself fairly well on the design and business side. What I really think we are concerned about is bureaucratic abuse of technology. As long the power to abuse is distributed in a free market, it is subject to the checks and balances of consumer choice. Remove the power to the bureaucracy and you have a situation where a consumer's vote doesn't matter on a day-to-day basis. Any subjective argument by someone with sufficient resources at their command will be enough justification for the total digital subjugation of the public, even without their knowing, or at least by maintaining some fraction of that power through propaganda.

    As soon as somebody develops a personal EMF shield on Kickstarter, I'm buying it. It would prohibit all signals except those white-listed or only transmit signals when the shield is all or partially down. Then again, I might just be able to move to Titan by then.

    I'm not a hermit, I promise. Not paranoid, either. ;)
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      Mar 14 2013: heh, it's cool.

      the most paranoid person i know once told me, "if you think you're paranoid enough, you're not."

      a simple pair of microphones can determine pictures by measures of sonar like what you're talking about, by measuring distances of walls and people via delays.

      it's usually only the people who have something to hide that tend to get paranoid - or the mentally ill. but i digress, the topic is about privacy.

      cybernetic implants are being trialled by the u.s. military in snipers' brains for faster reaction time. soon this technology will reach the computer games market, although not so popular in the u.s. or australia, would be worth literally millions to south korea.

      i've heard of people paying for cab rides by swiping their mobile phone over the electronic card swiper machine. i think the technology originally came from finland in the early 90s in public phone systems.

      it will only take someone bright enough to have a popular app for one reason or another to install a camera monitoring service on a mobile phone, and it be buried in the EULA that it does so. people simply won't care.

      i would suggest however, that, that someone install zones to only record in public places or 'zones' and leave private household zones alone. maybe the patent for it already exists.

      trolls and illegal videos will always be more popular than what can be kept up with via control mechanisms. it's just how it goes. however, it's getting easier and easier to stop automatically.

      black mirror was a fine example, but not extremely realistic. if such a case that a video went viral and it were constantly being uploaded, it could easily have been removed via the same technology that facebook uses to block nudity.
  • Mar 11 2013: What type of no privacy world are we talking about? Is a 3d panoramic perfect-focus viewing angle available 24/7 for every human on the planet, or at least everyone in this advanced society? Are all email drafts available for viewing? Is this "private" information available only to the government or is it available to anyone with an internet connection?

    I'm sure there would be a lot of freakonomics answers, but one thing is for certain: I would hope that an open rebellion would trample a government that monopolized control over access to all private information.

    Knowledge is power.
    Power corrupts.
    Absolute knowledge is absolute power.
    Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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      Mar 14 2013: 24x7 monitoring for every possible place on the planet will be possible in a few years, if not now already, via the use of mobile phone cameras, etc. haven't seen anyone take advantage of it yet. but i digress, yes, this is what i mean. thanks for your input.
      • Mar 14 2013: From what I understand, security agencies have used that feature, after all, they can track cell phones while they are on at least, even if not during a call, now that they stream data constantly.

        I wonder if there will be any way to anonymize oneself. I would like to believe that disruptive forces will work on the cell-phone industry and people will soon be able to somehow disable their cell phone cameras until they are operated manually by the user, but by that time, self-powered insect spy drones will no doubt number in the billions, whizzing this way and that, tailing every human. :) The only saving grace will be is people are able to destroy such bugs with impunity by invoking rights to privacy.

        Oh the times we live in. I suppose we shouldn't be afraid of complete and utter transparency. I think that once that day comes, I'll become a sollipsist, so I won't care.
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          Mar 14 2013: drones are going to become popular over the next couple of years and will be commonplace. if you thought advertising was bad now, wait 'til you see advertising drones asking you if you want to buy something, which could be handy, or could be annoying, depending on your point of view.

          i'd like to not have to walk to a soda machine to get a coke, but that's just me.

          as far as i know the only security company in australia that has looked at using mobile phone cameras for security purposes was Chubb, and they pretty much dropped the idea due to privacy concerns.

          in the pentagon, to enter, you have to get a sticker cover to cover the mobile phone's cameras before you can enter the building!

          these sorts of measures will become commonplace too.
        • Mar 22 2013: Our last line of defense are the hackers.
  • Mar 10 2013: "would illegal activities stop, for fear of being caught?"

    No. Believe it or not, there are still ways to communicate that don't involve technology.
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    Mar 1 2013: The more open it is,
    the more systems of corruption there will be.
    Corruption works in the open!
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    Feb 26 2013: .
    No privacy means:

    (1) For good persons,
    . . a. Loosing defense against villains.
    . . b. Gaining symbiosis.

    (2) For bad persons,
    . . a. Gaining chances to do evils.
    . . b. Loosing some defense against policemen, etc.

    So, “we just become more accepting that illegal activities occur, and not do anything about it.”
    The advanced new technology is a kind of invalid (ineffective) happiness, leading us to self-extinction.
    Our evolution can never catch up with it.

    (For INVALID (ineffective) happiness, see the 1st article, points 1-3, 14, at https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=D24D89AE8B1E2E0D&id=D24D89AE8B1E2E0D%21283&sc=documents)
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    Feb 25 2013: Just look at Britain, then wonder why half of them are immigrating downunder.
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    Feb 25 2013: the definition of privacy is changing, that's all. each man is an island, despite John Donne's quip and technology can't demolish that wall completely.
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    Feb 24 2013: It is impossible to totally figure out the human mind, thoughts and intention. There could be loss of privacy in certain aspects: but it wont be total. Because humanity is far more complex than we think it is; and we are able to outsmart technology or whatever seems overwhelming at the moment.
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    Feb 24 2013: Griffin, We are getting there real fast. In many of the large cities they are only a breath away from big brother. The problem I see is that "we" the people are allowing it.

    All the best. Bob.
  • Feb 24 2013: I think that for one society would become much more accepting of certain behaviors we currently consider taboo. I think that many people have secrets. Many people aslo shame things not because they truly detest them, but because they detest being thought of as one who doesn't. I know I do. I think that if there was no way around it, people would not do as many bad things as they do, and things not necessarily bad, but looked down upon, would be accepted instead of shunned.
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    Feb 24 2013: This might needed to be expanded upon with what is done with the private information and how it is used. I will give a few examples. I own a company that installs security cameras. When we install in an office (for whatever reason. Theft, safety, customer service, etc) The employees are initially very offended by the cameras. It is an invasion of their privacy. After about 2 weeks it is business as usual and they forget about them. AND I mean they forget. So theft and other things occur. We actually watch people look right at cameras then go back to whatever they were doing. (even if it was theft)

    There seems to be a mindset that while this information is out in the world it is not being watched, or that other people do not care about it. I would tend to agree in most cases. Who reads everything on someone else's facebook page?

    While some may become averse to reveal information I am amazed at how much they freely give on facebook or other sites. For the moment, I see that our culture is becoming used to it and like the camera analogy they are initially upset but then it is a shoulder shrug and business as usual.
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    Feb 24 2013: Look around. You're living in such a world. If someone else isn't watching, Big Brother is.
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      Feb 24 2013: that seems to be the case that big brother is watching, but i would be willing to suggest that big brother doesn't have time to watch everyone, all the time.

      if i can quote the simpsons movie:
      (NSA Worker) Hey everybody, I found one! The government actually found someone we're looking for! YEAH, BABY, YEAH!

      it only took the better part of 10 years to find osama bin laden.

      my point is, what would life be like if _everyone_ had access to such surveillance?
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    Feb 24 2013: I was once involved with a theater project that gave us an experimental storyline of coping in a society where everybody can read every others thoughts just like you can see what they were wearing. It started a debate about a privacy free society and it's possible evolution.
    I think sense of privacy is a marker of state of enlightenment of a society and also of a diminished requirement of social dependence for survival. So if the planet earth had no privacy whatsoever we would have evolved in a much different way than how we are now socially and probably much closer to natural cycles of earth.
    I am not sure though if it would have been worse than how we are today.
    • Mar 22 2013: You would either sing lalalala constantly so know one hearts your thoughts or you wouldn't give a dam what people thought of your thoughts.
  • Feb 24 2013: I agree with Fritzie thou we will never know until this happens. It seems like teenagers are not being bothered by it as much as adult. Perhaps our generation is getting old for such social change like our parents did not fully embraced the Internet? =)

    What I think we do need is complete transparency and no privacy within government institutions in order to prevent corruption and wasteful spending. However current undercover operations that government needs to conduct against threats like terrorism might need to be kept private at some point.
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    Feb 24 2013: The implications are likely complex. People may become more risk-averse, not experimenting as much because everyone would be aware of and perhaps forever more shine the spotlight on their errors. A world of playing it safe would be less creative.

    People might become a lot less productive, because they would be distracted by all the information available about everyone, with the "juiciest" parts being shoved forward the most continuously and aggressively by any person or form of media that wants attention.