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Brendon Butler

Founder & Director, 2Day Mine Soutions - Think Tank

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If you have a physical solution to the global economic & human development situation. Who would the best global leader to go to for help?

At the base of our economy is a sector. A primary sector that is absorbing 4 times as much of the global economic value added process as it should if it were to be corrected. Reforming this particular primary creates a flow on benefit that flows throughout the rest of the economic pyramid. Creating added value at every step. Because this is a "Global Primary Sector" the primary sector in question has been secure in the fact that there is currently no Government, NGO or international governing body with the influence or ability to fix it. So if the physical solution is true, who or what will take the lead on reforming a global primary sector? A genuine question to TED enthusiasts, especially if all the reform information is ready to be implemented with in weeks. The Oblivious Mining Industry Cartel. http://www.scribd.com/doc/109637671/Interference-Anomalies-in-Global-Mining Video: http://youtu.be/7lxbM20AKM4

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    Mar 1 2013: Don't worry about implementation I have got that covered.
    A consultancy wont even get close to it it will be taken up by a global leader that wants to do good, or something like that.
    Popular movement will drive the rest.
    Do you think that all the manufacturers will allow the miners to take more of a cut than they should?
    Manufacturers will force the change beause manufacturers have a US$trillion they "need' to invest.
    It is a slam dunk.
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    Feb 26 2013: Modelling is not done on something no one has a model of yet. does that make sense?

    You know what it is called though?

    Unity, Global Unity...

    Unpredictably powerful to those on the outside.

    Supremely predictable to those on the inside.

    I don't really need a leader as such. More a leading platform!

    Do you understand that I am actually the leader I require? I just need my platform.

    The data is and will always be in progress as this has never happened before.
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    Feb 26 2013: Here is a video that will put this into perspective. http://youtu.be/7lxbM20AKM4
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      Feb 26 2013: Wow Brendan - that's radical .. I like it!

      Where's the data?

      Also - have you done any modelling on the method?

      Right now I am going to vote for attilla the hun or Ghengis Khan - not because they will do anything directly positive, but because they will more quickly collapse the system that permitted the likes of them to exist in the first place.
      Direct oposition seems to only prolong the agony and reduce our options after the end-game.
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        Feb 26 2013: 15 minutes ago: Modelling is not done on something no one has a model of yet. does that make sense?

        You know what it is called though?

        Unity, Global Unity...

        Unpredictably powerful to those on the outside.

        Supremely predictable to those on the inside.

        I don't really need a leader as such. More a leading platform!

        Do you understand that I am actually the leader I require? I just need my platform.

        The data is and will always be in progress as this has never happened before.
        Or you could simply ask the CEO's of the companies I have divulged. Like I have already done.

        This is way beyond go Mitch!

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          Feb 27 2013: OK - I'll check the link now.

          Cool yes.

          It has been long understood how much gold lies in the ground. It is kept there very intentionally. I think it's probably the best indicator to your arguement - base metals are what drives not just ecoomic growth, but technological growth (.. I add the caveat that if you have gold, there is no constraint to technology - but there is a great constraint to the access to it if you have no gold).
          The Citigroup brochure tells it all. There is no market any more outside of the plutocracy - if you do not sell to this market ... you are screwed.

          That's because of the rate of gold extraction - nothing more.

          Makes me larf when people harpo on about returning to the "gold standard". There is so much of it we could eat it. That, plus the understanding that not all oil is biological ..

          But there are limits. The extraction rates of these things have system impacts. And as usual, the costs of that are being arranged to fall on those who have no gold.
          All indications are that the plutocracy is poised to remove all access to gold (including fiat currency) from all but those who control it. This is a selective part of the current mass extinction - the line will be drawn when the human driven extinction reaches .. just before .. the no-return threshold (those who know . . know .. and that line will nto be stepped accross. It will be a sudden hitting of the wall for most humans. And let's face it - they are not required anymore. I say "they" but there is no guarantee that I will get through - so I might be part of "they". hey ho.
          I was once a committed part of "us" and just watched on as "they" all fried their brains out with mobile phones and continued to eat more and more cummulative toxins (you have to add "Monsanto" to your list I think.

          The platform is currency. Everything you say can be modelled quite easily - and probably has been long ago.

          look at what currency is: curent value = investment - consumption . gold was never needed
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          Feb 27 2013: Time is the only scale-able commodity.
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        Feb 27 2013: Einstein might disagree on time.

        This is unchartered water.
        The models are about I am sure.
        However, you are missing that this is all metals all at once. Gold currency, metal technology, economic growth, investment confidence, cash velocity, Government involvement etc…
        This is unprecedented especially when tied into the economic spaghetti mix.
        I do not believe the current models apply in this scenario.
        I would challenge any economist to predict the right outcome.
        If you follow my LinkedIn profile, you will see the many chief economists and economic professors that are keeping an eye on my work.

        The people on top may see this as an opportunity or equally as a threat or even a mixed bag.
        The outlook is incredibly complex.
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          Feb 28 2013: I'll model it in NetLogo.
          This is something I've been wanting to do for a while.
          With your permission I can constrain a prime resource and call it "metals".
          I have to warn you that these models are non-linear - and fixed-point attractors are rare.

          Just at the onset - my belief is that agriculture lies at a more fundamental position - it is something that seems to have been precipitated at the end of the Younger Dryas.

          The model will build some varients with and without markets, with and without currency.

          I was prompted to get on with this model to examine currency - but I expect plutocratic monopoly to emerge with certain dynamics imbedded in the abstraction of currency.
          I will also add adiction to the parrameter set.

          It is started, but will take a while as I get control of the modelling tool.
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          Feb 28 2013: OK, About 1/4 through your paper.

          Here's some things that might help - I have a comprehensive map of logistics as a global entity - it sits between supply and demand (including market nodes - retail).
          The map is in 3 levels - strategic, tactical, operational this identifies the functional processes at each level with another dimension covering funding and another showing accounting. Happy to share the map if you like.

          Here's some things to consider:

          1. The human brain is divided into 3 functional nodes - proto, core and autobiographical. THis is far more significant than even neuro-scientists understand - particularly when one explores what teh autobiographical is and what it is for. It is cogent to the systemic anomaly which you identify.
          2. Looks at De Bono's analysis of serial development - it helps.
          I can't find the little youtube vid - but it's just about trying to construct a square out of shapes as they "turn-up" .. it all works fine, you can get clever and make squares by adding the shapes using inovatiive methods, but then a shape comes along that will not fit no matter what you do - it then becomes necessary to dismantle the entire structure before the new piece can be added - this is the principle of vested interest.
          This phenomenon is exactly the same as the "local minimum" in the science of self-organising systems. Well worth researching.
          In the usual order of things, local minima represent the truth within a specific perceptional span - it works so long as the span is wide enough, but if reality requires a widening of that span, the local minimum will begin to deliver error. This error will accumulate until the minimum is ruptured and the system seeks the lower minimum.
          Depending on the "potentiation" which holds the local minimum together, the resulting "noise" of error will have a specific threshold before rupture. That threshold can be very high indeed.
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          Feb 28 2013: Practical questions:
          Does slow explosive produce dust?
          What is the average face-advance per cycle with 1. fast explosives, 2. slow explosives?
          Next - what is the stability impact between slow and fast explosives? (roof stability/bolt/mesh requirement - assuming inclusion of fault frequency)

          I can see a 1 hour cycle achievable using slow explosive - critical cost/benefit being face advance rate. Techniques might also include continuous face-advance if the face was widened and sectored .. which would be an advantage in vein tracking.
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          Mar 1 2013: OK Finished reading your paper.

          It's a reasonable BPR analysis. But it will be ignored if it is not presented by a major consultancy - as such, it will have a $1mill entry cost, plus a business case proposal which will fail to demonstrate ROI due to risk/opportunity analysis.
          The miners will have contingent liabilities associated with supply relationship costs. These contingencies will not be discussed outside of the boardroom.

          It is part of how corporate culture forms-up.

          I have seen this process in a few industries - not just mining. I call it "the destruction of value for profit".

          It is difficult to grapple with this sytemic problem, but, as far as my analysis went, the primary parameters of destruction-of-value-for-profit are:

          1. Reverse supply dynamic permited by the use of currency .. the market force of demand is inverted when the goods are replaced by the currency - and the supply becomes currency.

          2. Money is time - time is not money.

          3. Organisations are designed to fail - the corporate mission is subverted by the parts of teh corporation = a large company contains many empires that are at war with each other. The only rule in a corporation is "don't get caught". This induces some incredibly inovative game-play that causes more "churn" in fund-flows than you could ever imagine. Most corporations consume around 90% of investment funds in these games.

          4. No corporation can allow the line-workers or line-managers to contribute to business process. Doing so has a few downsides - a) it can lead to single-point dependency, b) it can lead to stagnation, c) it erodes hierachial authority - and responsibility which might lead to wage scale-flattening. So some of these are valid, but obviously, some are downright invalid in the light of ROI for investors - if they knew what was being done. So the role of strategic BPR is delivered to consultancies - and the imense cost of consultancies is deliver one commodity: credibility. It is knowledge-laundering.
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          Mar 1 2013: The interference patterns you observe are the result of the size of the companies involved.
          It is also affected by the amount of funds moving through the company.
          The empire phenomenon is incredibly powerful - it increses the vested-interest factor by orders of magnitude.
          The ultimate result manifests as reduced adaptivity.
          This stagnation will persist until the emperors extract themselves from teh host - it is only after a safe distance has been established for the "players" that the company will be allowed to collapse - and, in fact, the collapse of the company on late movers is a part of the game which delights the emperors greatly.

          AS you have shown - the devil is in the detail. No one gets enough time to actually discern the detail from outside the company. There is no conspiracy - it is just the dynamics of teh system.
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        Mar 1 2013: Don't worry about implementation I have got that covered.
        A consultancy wont even get close to it it will be taken up by a global leader that wants to do good, or something like that.
        Popular movement will drive the rest.
        Do you think that all the manufacturers will allow the miners to take more of a cut than they should?
        Manufacturers will force the change beause manufacturers have a US$trillion they "need' to invest.
        It is a slam dunk.
        Simplicity in global arguements wins everytime. The market is going to force it!
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          Mar 1 2013: You have demonstrated quite well how the BPR of mining operation can have very large global impact on global GDP. I could demonstrate similar items in retail, logistics, insurance, banking and telecommunications. As a BPR analyst in all these sectors, I have identified at least one interference point in each - some as large as the one you identify, some less - but all of which could be described as "evil" in the minds of most people.

          Can I ask you this:
          If you were to get the opportunity of leading a change - what would be the evidence of your success?
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        Mar 1 2013: Haha. Yes very good.

        Evidence. Wait and see is all I can say.

        I am planning 50+ years of evidence of success.

        The problem will be stopping.

        You should keep in touch. find my LinkedIn.
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          Mar 1 2013: HI Brendan,

          Go for it!

          I'll stay in touch, but not through social media - there are undercurrents in them that I wish to avoid.

          I'll send my details through the TED contact.

          Many thanks for the opportunity to engage in this discourse - it's given me a few new angles on the models I want to get done.

          I get the gist of where you are headed, hope my input has had a value towards that.
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    Feb 25 2013: There is no one who has not already sold you out for money and power who is in a position to do what you would like. But loving money and power, they are not willing to give up all in order to show that it can be done.

    Your underlying concern is one that is increasingly shared by all of humanity.
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    Feb 25 2013: don't follow leaders, watch your parking metaws
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    Feb 24 2013: Diogenes was sure a character indeed. Although his methods may have been different with a laptop and connectivity.

    My position is unique.

    The changes I have proscribed are already taking affect with in the mining industry. So I may be in danger from an unseen force. But I do not think that this will happen.

    Because the Mining sector is actually completely unaware that this manipulation force has been at play.

    Now here is the interesting part.

    The 3 companies that have allowed this manipulation to take place are completely unaware themselves that this is what they have done. It is actually a surprise to them as much as it is to you or I. Now that is a unique global position!! Even if they wanted to stop it they have no idea how. And to prove it the company CEO and President of one of the 3 companies that have set this scene is now connected with me on LinkedIn. If you want a game changer. This is it Robert. You are not going to get any better, anywhere.

    It is already too late for any vested interest to stop. And to be honest I could not think of one game enough to try.

    And why would they want to stop it? It actually increase the wealth and wellbeing for everyone on the planet.

    I don't think you would find a force powerful enough to stop this global goodwill.

    Again, this is happening now. But to get the very best out if it I need a Leader with a global backbone and a big chin.

    Keep thinking keep thinking. There has to be someone....
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    Feb 24 2013: Check with Diogenes. As far as I know he never found the honest man. Remember absolute power corrupts and power corrupts absolutely.

    Those in power or of great influence would never allow this to occur. It would deminish their grasp on power and wealth.

    Good luck. Bob.
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    Feb 24 2013: the very basis of the argument is wrong here. our society is not like a pyramid, with the economy as the base. much like a cart of welfare and hybris, pulled by the horse of the economy. you don't need to fix the horse. if you want more speed, make the cart lighter. optimally, get rid of the cart altogether. we are the horse. we don't need the cart.
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    Feb 24 2013: Yes. Thank you for your Question Fritzie.

    All metal mining taking place on the earth today is included in the change I have. It is actually a good question you ask. I did not say it was the mining sector because in the past people have thought that mining related organisations should only be responsible. The eyes of the intellectual level of people I require have unfortunately glazed over when I mention the word mining.

    Where in this case it is of absolute important not to include any mining institutions but only use people of Practical International Political Economics understanding.

    If you read the first 7 pages of my publication (Link below) you will understand clearly the difficult task ahead for me.


    Because the flow on changes are far bigger to the rest of the economy than the actual changes to mining. It is of the highest importance a global, environmental, humanitarian, social, long-term, and economic view be included in any decision making.
    Current NGO, Government Organisations and Global Governing bodies seem not to have the mandate to cover all tasks. Therefore, I am certain a new committee needs to be set up to split up the tasks into forms that the current organisations can handle.
    The problem I have is I cannot yet find a change leader willing to understand or take on this task I and we require.

    Is there anyone you or other TED members can think of that would be interested in such a global task?
    There are leaders on the side-lines waiting to see who takes the first step. This is no good to me. I need one that takes that has the fortitude to take the first step in a global economic overhaul.
    Anyone have any leadership suggestions?

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    Feb 24 2013: Is there some reason you don't want to specify here which sector you are talking about even as you ask where to go to try to achieve reforms in it?

    Is your argument that mining is the fundamental sector at the base of the economy and asking where to go to seek reforms in mining?

    I am guessing this from your profile.